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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| However, one of the major changes that happened here when PRI was finally ousted was moving the center of power from the presidency to Congress where it should be. Who wins the presidency now is much less relevant than who gains power in Congress so I wouldn't really care to pick a president right now. |
Hmm, that brings us to the problem of the political system, much the same as in the US. Having a president that is removed from congress does often render the president, who has the best of intentions, impotent. (Although, as I've mentioned twice before, the president does have the option of a decree in the case of matters of vital importance, although I recognize the danger of overusing it).
That's why I prefer the system in the UK, and in one of our colonies in North America.  |
A parliamentary system does seem to get things done, provided you don't get too many parties vying. Look at India with some 500 parties!
The US only has two real parties but for all the troubles that system creates, it does get most things done. The three party power play here in Mexico with no one over 50% should have created shifting alliances to get legislation through but as we've seen, no one wants to play ball for fear of anyone else getting credit. It will be most interesting to see how the numbers change in Congress to get an idea as to what the next 6 years will hold.
As for the history of the PRI, well you ignore history at your own peril. In 2000, there was a great feeling of jubilation here as people tossed out the PRI - a party given to wiping out people's savings every 6 years through devaluations, high inflation, and outright theft. Jubilation quickly turned to the messy argument of actual democracy, but for all their faults the PAN have kept Mexico economically stable and growing. Lots of credit to Zedillo but PAN have put the right people at the helm.
AMLO got a mention earlier...snakeoil salesman. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Will Mexicans vote for another 6 years of the party many view as largely responsible for the drug war? I doubt it. |
I doubt it too.
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| the PAN doesn�t have much to offer or so it seems. |
12 years has shown that to be true.
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| After almost 12 years out of power (and the last 6 were with Zedillo anyways) many Mexicans have a certain nostalgia for the "good-old" days of the PRI. |
I don't blame them. I used to be able to take a bus from Dallas, Texas to Mexico City with no worries but after 12 years of the PAN and their LACK OF CONTROL over their own country, I would not even dream of taking a bus from Dallas to Mexico City. Things have deteriorated a LOT in my beautiful Mexico.  |
Pe�a Nieto & PRI are going to have to deliver a lot if they win as the polls currently project (sure things could change, but the overall feeling is the PRI will be back in power this time next year).
Mexican parties & politicians are big on fluff and short on substance.
Mexico needs some major overhauls.
Security & Crime: Create a national police force and a criminal court system and prison system that can actually handle the situation.
Jobs: Best way to increase people�s stake in society is to create better paying jobs (which pay taxes). Education means nothing if you still can�t get a good paying job.
Transparency: If the government is a giant black hole, people tend not to trust it much. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, I actually agree with you, prof!
I would be interested to know how you would propose to "create" jobs, as governments don't create jobs, they just create the conditions for investors to create companies, which create jobs. What is required is private sector investment and inward (i.e. foreign) investment, not cushy jobs on government quangos.
I'd also add to your transparency point, accountability. The real ability of the average citizen to pursue complaints without a load of red tape and inconvenience.
As for the national police force, I agree, but would add that all police should be multitasking, with the citizens' interest at heart. I.e. NOT "sorry, I can't help that poor person who's being mugged, I'm a traffic cop".
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| Mexican parties & politicians are big on fluff and short on substance. |
Just Mexican politicians?  |
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EFLeducator
Joined: 16 Dec 2011
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Location: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I would be interested to know how you would propose to "create" jobs, as governments don't create jobs, they just create the conditions for investors to create companies, which create jobs. |
Obama would disagree with you, Phil. I myself believe the govt can help in the process of creating jobs. So, I guess it's safe to say then that the govt of Mexico has FAILED to create conditions for investors to create companies? The problem with most jobs in Mexico AND the U.S. is the salaries. People cannot live on the little salaries the get nor should they have to.
Salaries for the majority in Mexico are too low.
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| The real ability of the average citizen to pursue complaints without a load of red tape and inconvenience. |
I feel this is a GLOBAL problem.
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| Mexican parties & politicians are big on fluff and short on substance. |
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| Just Mexican politicians? |
Nope. ALL politicians and political parties. Most if not all are probably controlled by the lobbyists/special interest groups. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama would disagree with you, Phil. |
Glad to hear it! |
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Dragonlady
Joined: 10 May 2004
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Location: Chillinfernow, Canada
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Let the games begin?
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President Felipe Calderon's National Action Party called that explanation "an insult to the intelligence of Mexicans," whose tax laws, crime problem, strict campaign finance laws and economic problems make carrying such large amounts of cash very unusual.
"It is no coincidence that this amount of money was taken to Toluca ... and that is precisely where the campaign of the PRI's favored son, Enrique Pena Nieto, operates," National Action said in a statement. |
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/02/mexico-pols-trade-barbs-over-19m-found.html
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| The money came from Veracruz, a Gulf coast state governed by Pena Nieto's Institutional Revolutionary Party, known as the PRI. The state official said he was making a hurried payment to a legitimate company for consulting services. |
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notamiss
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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EFLeducator
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There's no way the PRI can do any worse than the PAN has done over the last 12 years. Look at the complete mess Mexico is in today.
Viva PRI!!!!
Viva Nieto!!!! |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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There's no way the PRI can do any worse than the PAN has done over the last 12 years. Look at the complete mess Mexico is in today.
Viva PRI!!!!
Viva Nieto!!!! |
I would be surprised if the PRI did not win the election this year and win in a very big way.
I have some close (Family )connections with people who are very well connected and high up in the PRI, so a win for the PRI would be nice. Perhaps I can get that job that has been promised to me, Director of EFL programs for the SEP   |
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EFLeducator
Joined: 16 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: |
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There's no way the PRI can do any worse than the PAN has done over the last 12 years. Look at the complete mess Mexico is in today.
Viva PRI!!!!
Viva Nieto!!!! |
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I would be surprised if the PRI did not win the election this year and win in a very big way.
I have some close (Family )connections with people who are very well connected and high up in the PRI, so a win for the PRI would be nice. Perhaps I can get that job that has been promised to me, Director of EFL programs for the SEP |
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