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MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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I have a friend who tells a story of his brother after the birth of his second child he said--We used to be a couple with a child, now we're an army.
And you need a personnel transporter to transport an army. |
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the peanut gallery
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Tret,
You paid cash for your car? You didnt say what you bought but walking around, even for a short time, with 50 - 350 K in your pocket is the thing corridos are made of.  |
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MotherF
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He didn't say what he got.
I also paid cash for my car--and it was a lot less than 50 K! |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own
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| Why should I spend a ton of money on a car while living in a city like the D.F. with its excellent public transportation system? |
You shouldn't! It's entirely your choice, as it is also mine to have one.
What I can't get through here though, is that I don't have to justify it to anyone. I happen to have no need to spend thousands on an iPhone, but for many people it's either a necessity (doubtful!) or a luxury they want because they can afford it, and that's fine by me. (Yes, Isla, I know you have a basic phone, but I'm talking in general).
Also, and by the way, I'd like to know in what way the transport system can be considered "excellent". From my point view, it's only excellent in its quantity (and price), but definitely not in its quality! |
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notamiss
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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Yeah, right. Note #4. Pay $314 and get the tenencia 100% subsidized. That worked well for our newer (6-year-old) car, but the beater is so old that the tenencia came out to less than 300 pesos, but we still have to pay $314 for the �privilege� of having the tenencia subsidized on that car. |
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Guy Courchesne
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, and by the way, I'd like to know in what way the transport system can be considered "excellent". From my point view, it's only excellent in its quantity (and price), but definitely not in its quality! |
Quantity and price as you mention, for sure. You don't have to wait more than a few minutes for a metro train (usually) or a bus, for a ridiculously cheap price. In my hometown, the bus is 40 pesos a ride and in the burbs it comes by once an hour.
Speed is what I see as best. For the type of trips around town I take, a car would be slowest.
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| notamiss wrote: |
Yeah, right. Note #4. Pay $314 and get the tenencia 100% subsidized. That worked well for our newer (6-year-old) car, but the beater is so old that the tenencia came out to less than 300 pesos, but we still have to pay $314 for the �privilege� of having the tenencia subsidized on that car. |
What did tenencia cost before the change? I thought it was in the thousands... |
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notamiss
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, and by the way, I'd like to know in what way the transport system can be considered "excellent". From my point view, it's only excellent in its quantity (and price), but definitely not in its quality! |
You answered your own question there. Quantity and price do it for me. Oh, and coverage, too. The comparison is: walking over a km to the nearest bus stop, waiting 40 minutes, and paying over $3 (dollars), vs. having bus routes that penetrate everywhere, buses never more than a couple minutes away, and paying 1/10 of the price.
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notamiss
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What did tenencia cost before the change? I thought it was in the thousands... |
A wide range, depending on the age of the vehicle. The 6-year-old car would have been just over $3000, and the old one would have been $200-something, so I guess we still come out ahead. |
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MotherF
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The tenecia on my 72 VW was 187 pesos. 
of course there is plate cost, verification fees, etc. on top of that. But if you pay in the first two months of the year you get a discount here in Oaxaca.
Even when we had a '98 Explorer it was under 500 a year. About 1500 the first time because it was from the US and we imported it. |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="notamiss"]
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| Also, and by the way, I'd like to know in what way the transport system can be considered "excellent". From my point view, it's only excellent in its quantity (and price), but definitely not in its quality! |
You answered your own question there. Quantity and price do it for me. Oh, and coverage, too. The comparison is: walking over a km to the nearest bus stop, waiting 40 minutes, and paying over $3 (dollars), to having bus routes that penetrate everywhere, buses never more than a couple minutes away, and paying 1/10 of the price. |
For me, another thing to consider is how convenient and inexpensive it is compared to the often lousy and expensive or non-existent public transportation system in most parts of the US, my basis of comparison. |
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EFLeducator
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Location: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| [For me, another thing to consider is how convenient and inexpensive it is compared to the often lousy and expensive or non-existent public transportation system in most parts of the US, my basis of comparison. |
We don't need a good public transportation system in the U.S. because people here make enough to buy cars. |
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Phil_K
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[quote="Isla Guapa"]
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| Also, and by the way, I'd like to know in what way the transport system can be considered "excellent". From my point view, it's only excellent in its quantity (and price), but definitely not in its quality! |
You answered your own question there. Quantity and price do it for me. Oh, and coverage, too. The comparison is: walking over a km to the nearest bus stop, waiting 40 minutes, and paying over $3 (dollars), to having bus routes that penetrate everywhere, buses never more than a couple minutes away, and paying 1/10 of the price. |
For me, another thing to consider is how convenient and inexpensive it is compared to the often lousy and expensive or non-existent public transportation system in most parts of the US, my basis of comparison. |
Again, each to his own, but I prefer comfort, and you certainly don't get that! For me, price isn't the primary consideration when buying anything, value for money is, and when you take cheap D.F. transport you get what you pay for, especially on the peseros!
BTW, the speed argument isn't necessarily true. In the past, for example, I had classes at the Perif�rico end of Polanco. On public transport, it required two changes on the metro and bus, all of which would take over an hour. I could easily do it in half that time by car, keeping cool and arriving happier. Certainly does it for me! |
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Phil_K
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EF Ed you're making way too many assumptions about others' (that's us) situation in life. We paid cash for the car, my employer always pays on time, and my wife works. See what I mean...?
I was, until recently, the only English teacher I know who didn't have a car: that was my preference, but my wife has a voice in things, too. Marriage is a bit like that.... |
...I also think that a man who loves his wife doesn't really want to take her out to dinner, shopping, etc., on public transport!! But maybe I'm just one of a dying breed...  |
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Guy Courchesne
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[quote="Phil_K"]
| Isla Guapa wrote: |
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| Also, and by the way, I'd like to know in what way the transport system can be considered "excellent". From my point view, it's only excellent in its quantity (and price), but definitely not in its quality! |
You answered your own question there. Quantity and price do it for me. Oh, and coverage, too. The comparison is: walking over a km to the nearest bus stop, waiting 40 minutes, and paying over $3 (dollars), to having bus routes that penetrate everywhere, buses never more than a couple minutes away, and paying 1/10 of the price. |
For me, another thing to consider is how convenient and inexpensive it is compared to the often lousy and expensive or non-existent public transportation system in most parts of the US, my basis of comparison. |
Again, each to his own, but I prefer comfort, and you certainly don't get that! For me, price isn't the primary consideration when buying anything, value for money is, and when you take cheap D.F. transport you get what you pay for, especially on the peseros!
BTW, the speed argument isn't necessarily true. In the past, for example, I had classes at the Perif�rico end of Polanco. On public transport, it required two changes on the metro and bus, all of which would take over an hour. I could easily do it in half that time by car, keeping cool and arriving happier. Certainly does it for me! |
That particular spot is painful for public transport and it looks like it may get to be less than an hour in a car once they finish all the work on the tunnels and segundo nivel. I had that run in a taxi at rush hour one Monday morning with the girlfriend in labour...we almost didn't make it.
On speed though, nothing beats the metro on shorter hops - maybe not the comfiest - or better, the metrobus. If I lived in the burbs, it would be a different story...2 hours in by car and comfy or 3 hours in by bus and not comfy. |
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