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Frisking six-year olds at the airport!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a few Scotts in Moscow... Even the umbrella-wielding Bulgarians give 'em a wide berth...
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geaaronson



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote][quote]No doubt currently teaching EFL in some very shady location, without any quals, and with a bevy of scrawny locals at his beck and call. Heading for disaster and giving the industry a bad name [/quote

More likely he`s the owner of a language school. I wonder whatever happened to all those bad boys with whom I went to school. Have they all been mobbed up by now?
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Captain_Fil



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's much worse than we thought:

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-23/news/29466700_1_tsa-spokeswoman-ann-davis-child-pornography-federal-agents

Can you imagine that guy patting down a kid?

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked ShockedShocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Captain_Fil,

It almost always is -

"A British registered sex-offender who used a false University degree obtained in the Khao San Road to get a job in a temple school in suburban Bangkok was being held at the Immigration Detention Centre last night.

Alan Thomas Smith, 54, from Accrington, Lancashire, was seized after leaving the Nong Yai temple school in Sai Mai, North Bangkok, where he had obtained a job teaching English.

He claimed falsely in his job application that he had previously worked for UNICEF � the United Nations Children�s Fund, had a degree from Manchester University � and produced a reference for his good behaviour between 2001 and 2006 by a British security company."


But thank God we don't let an isolated instance taint everyone who works in the field.

Regards,
John
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A British registered sex-offender

Is that old or new? I heard about such a case a while ago. I think it was in Thailand. Looks like that school did rigorous checks. Rolling Eyes

Gaining a job under false pretenses can happen in any field but it's so much worse when anyone comes into contact with children through work.
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Denizen



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Reasonable suspicion' is the key phrase. We've heard little about any foiled aircraft bombers among, for example white grandmothers, middle class black children, Asian high schoolers, ex-beauty queens and most of the make up of suburban America. Once we do, then, IMHO, the mass screenings are justified.
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BadBeagleBad



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denizen wrote:
'Reasonable suspicion' is the key phrase. We've heard little about any foiled aircraft bombers among, for example white grandmothers, middle class black children, Asian high schoolers, ex-beauty queens and most of the make up of suburban America. Once we do, then, IMHO, the mass screenings are justified.


I think what bothers me the most about this story is that they would only accept that the 6 year old be frisked. Why not use the machine? An adult has a choice, why doesn�t a child.

Another thing that occurred to me while mulling over this story. What about a child, or even a teenager or adult who has been molested? Wouldn�t that make such a thing more tramatic? And there is a big difference between a doctor exam and being frisked at the airport, there is usually a relationship with a doctor, more trust, it is not just a random person. And you choose to go to the doctor. You don�t choose to have what would be a sexual assault if not done at the airport done, you are �selected�, and the I don�t think that the fact that it is done for the common good, supposedly, would make it feel much less like an assault to me.

I understand there is a procedure in place to get some kind of fast pass if you are considered low risk, does anyone know anything about that?

And, finally, as someone who has gotten past security with a number of forbidden items - scissors, liquids and a fingernail clipper - I am not all that reassured by all the security. I didn�t do it on purpose, I either just forgot it was in my pocket or purse, or didn�t know it was forbidden.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Denizen,

"'Reasonable suspicion' is the key phrase. We've heard little about any foiled aircraft bombers among, for example white grandmothers, middle class black children, Asian high schoolers, ex-beauty queens and most of the make up of suburban America. Once we do, then, IMHO, the mass screenings are justified."

Well, of course we all know that there are no terorists among the groups mentioned above; it would be unreasonable to think so.

But . . . but golly gee. What if the REAL terrorsts know that? Mightn't they take advantage of our "profiling?" Naw, they're just not that smart, right?
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Denizen



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnslat,

According to Dictionary.com, terrorism defined is the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 'They' have succeeded in making this nation a paranoid, fearful, freedom-inhibiting institution where no one, no one is above suspicion. Should we continue on this path, watching each other from our windows and restaurant seats, 'See, then Report' as Napolitano dictates?

Israel, one in the eye of the storm copes without massive public coercion. As they have, we can certainly train receptive agents in airports and train stations to sense the dangers we face from people bent on our destruction. We don't need, again IMHO, to plan for and expect the terrorist recruitment of Aunt Agnes and little Billy. Otherwise, we will eventually pay for our total security with total imprisonment.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Denizen,

It's not paranoia when they're really out to get you. I, for one, would rather put up with precautions than count on Aunt Agnes and Little Billy always being harmless.

Regards,
John
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Denizen



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then John, we agree to disagree. In the end, though, it is more likely that you will have exactly what you want.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Denizen,

In the end? Well, as John Maynard Keynes put it, "In the long run, we're all dead."

Regards,
John
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Kornan DeKobb



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
Another thing that occurred to me while mulling over this story. What about a child, or even a teenager or adult who has been molested? Wouldn�t that make such a thing more tramatic?

There has to be some balance here. What about the child who has been touch-deprived?

Children in orphanages, even if given adequate food and water, fail to thrive or survive when deprived of human touch. For such children, the procedure may even be therapeutic. Wink

And even though I oppose all this screening nonsense, there have been no reported cases of post-traumatic stress resulting from previously molested kids being patted down.
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