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Does this gig break Japanese law?
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:36 pm    Post subject: I know this may sound like a stupid question but ... Reply with quote

If someone offers you a "teach conversation for shelter" deal is it breaking immigration law? I am assuming that it is.

No cash is involved but of course a visa waiver only permits tourism not employment. Accommodation is provided in lieu of wages.

I swerved it but it's a shame.

The geezer also wanted people to go out and distribute fliers.

It's definitely illegal, is it?
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd imagine that quite apart from the issue of pay in lieu (and how could one prove, were that to become necessary, that one hadn't been paid any cash at all for doing such duties?), there's also the issue of apparently not having sufficient funds as a tourist to pay for "proper" accommodation for the length of one's stay. And just because the guy wouldn't be paying you wouldn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be charging anything at all from the students.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
I'd imagine that quite apart from the issue of pay in lieu (and how could one prove, were that to become necessary, that one hadn't been paid any cash at all for doing such duties?), there's also the issue of apparently not having sufficient funds as a tourist to pay for "proper" accommodation for the length of one's stay. And just because the guy wouldn't be paying you wouldn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be charging anything at all from the students.


I'm very much working on the basis that he does charge the students, yes. He doesn't strike me as the cultural philanthropist type.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
there's also the issue of apparently not having sufficient funds as a tourist to pay for "proper" accommodation for the length of one's stay.


I just call it saving money.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just call it saving money.

Heh, well, yes, that thought did cross my mind. And now all I can think of is a play on a certain line: "This...is...spartan!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAUR2kWikM
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dig your av.

Are you female?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's not illegal, but you would only be able to stay here a limited time as a tourist.

Now that the question is answered, how about one in return? What exactly is being offered for you in the way of housing and exactly for what sort of teaching services?

Who says "dig" anymore these days besides Austin Powers?
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
No, it's not illegal, but you would only be able to stay here a limited time as a tourist.

Now that the question is answered, how about one in return? What exactly is being offered for you in the way of housing and exactly for what sort of teaching services?

Who says "dig" anymore these days besides Austin Powers?


Laughing

Inveterate tefl gimps like me.

Offer: a room half an hour by train from Shinjuku.
In return: P/T hrs teaching English conversation to groups of J adults. + marauding around the J streets handing out J fliers to J people.


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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
you would only be able to stay here a limited time as a tourist.


180 days?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerkyBoy wrote:
Glenski wrote:
you would only be able to stay here a limited time as a tourist.


180 days?
Yes, that's all a 38-year-old Brit gets as a tourist. And that's max. You may not be allowed to stay more than 90 days if immigration has their way. Staying here with free housing may not be enough. They may want to see proof of funds to tide you over, plus a travel schedule. The latter is easy. The former may not be. The way you talk about packing a bag with Quaker Oats suggests not.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
The way you talk about packing a bag with Quaker Oats suggests not.


You leave my Quaker oats out of this, buddy.

Glenski wrote:
Yes, that's all a 38-year-old Brit gets as a tourist.


I'm not 38 at all. I'm still only 37.

Have you been accessing my file?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerkyBoy wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Yes, that's all a 38-year-old Brit gets as a tourist.


I'm not 38 at all. I'm still only 37.

Have you been accessing my file?
Just repeating what you wrote earlier. Which is it?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=100362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Anything else not exactly accurate that we should know about?
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
JerkyBoy wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Yes, that's all a 38-year-old Brit gets as a tourist.


I'm not 38 at all. I'm still only 37.

Have you been accessing my file?
Just repeating what you wrote earlier. Which is it?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=100362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Anything else not exactly accurate that we should know about?


Excellent!

That's from Sherlock Holmes.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerkyBoy wrote:
I dig your av.

Are you female?

No, I'm just a particularly attractive male hamster.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
No, I'm just a particularly attractive male hamster.


Let's draw a line under the whole thing shall we.
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