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coder
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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The Fifth Column
Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 331 Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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The teachers' input is zilch. Sitting them in the conference hall around a huge faux-mahogany table to "discuss" the issue is just to make them feel good and important. (They can then go back to their jail cells, called classrooms, with their heads held high and drill into the students how important they (the teachers) really are). |
You take no prisoners! Me likey! |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:19 am Post subject: |
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coder wrote: |
Based on your postings, I wonder if you've actually ever taught in KSA. |
Since this thread is in the General Middle East Forum... NOT the Saudi branch... that comment is moot.
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cmp45
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:01 am Post subject: |
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MuscatGary wrote: |
I'm the teacher and I decide how to teach, what materials to use and if and when I should use technology. If the employer doesn't accept that then we part company, it's that simple. I'm a specialist in ed tech but don't believe that teachers should be forced to use it, however I do believe that they should be trained properly to do so in order that they can make an informed decision. I also think that the teaching staff should be involved in the decisions regarding what technology should be bought rather than imposing some administrator's ideas on the matter. |
Sorry - I totally disagree. I don't know of a single "work-place" where what you describe above is anywhere near what really goes on...... at least in the Kingdom of Humanity and at least in the ESL Dept. It might be true in other Gulf states or in other departments.
It is most definitely not true with the military employers many ESLers are working for.
It's true that occasionally, some effort is made to involve the teachers, at least for appearances sake. But in every case that I've been associated with, by the time you get the teachers in the conference hall to discuss the issue, the decisions have long since been made and the materials have long since been ordered.
The teachers' input is zilch. Sitting them in the conference hall around a huge faux-mahogany table to "discuss" the issue is just to make them feel good and important. (They can then go back to their jail cells, called classrooms, with their heads held high and drill into the students how important they (the teachers) really are).
Based on your postings, I wonder if you've actually ever taught in KSA. |
If you are dissatisfied with the decisions being made on your behalf perhaps you should aim for an administrative position where you are able to have more in- put in the decision making process...
So glad you pointed out that the table was faux -mahogany such an important detail to your sarcastic rant. Seems to me you have left out one important component ...YOU! What are you doing to better the situation which you signed up for...sheesh...take some responsibility ...if that means learning something new then get on with it and give it your all or get out and do something else...whining about the situation or technology /education in general will not make life any better for you or those around you...just a thought.
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013 Posts: 1364 Location: Flying around the ME...
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:18 am Post subject: |
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coder wrote: |
Based on your postings, I wonder if you've actually ever taught in KSA. |
My main point was that if the employer doesn't behave professionally then we part company. Unlike some I have too much self-respect to allow myself to be treated badly. Tefl jobs are easy to acquire so why put up with bs? Others are right; quit whining or just quit and change trajectory. No point being permanently unhappy just for cash.
By the way, not just SA but Kuwait and more recently Oman. Military in Kuwait, no problem for me as I have a military background. |
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The Fifth Column
Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 331 Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:39 am Post subject: |
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cmp45 wrote: |
If you are dissatisfied with the decisions being made on your behalf perhaps you should aim for an administrative position where you are able to have more in- put in the decision making process... |
And, when you do, aim for the spine...that's how 100% of western admin staff' in the khaleej get into their positions... |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Dear MuscatGary,
"My main point was that if the employer doesn't behave professionally then we part company. Unlike some I have too much self-respect to allow myself to be treated badly. Tefl jobs are easy to acquire so why put up with bs? Others are right; quit whining or just quit and change trajectory. No point being permanently unhappy just for cash."
Of course, what works for you may not do the same for everyone. For example, do you have "financial back-up" that allows you to "take it or leave it?" Do you have "hostages to fortune" - i.e. a spouse, children, others - depending upon you for financial support? Do you have the qualifications and experience that make finding another job quickly and easily very likely?
Not everyone will answer those questions the same way.
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013 Posts: 1364 Location: Flying around the ME...
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:03 am Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Of course, what works for you may not do the same for everyone. For example, do you have "financial back-up" that allows you to "take it or leave it?" Do you have "hostages to fortune" - i.e. a spouse, children, others - depending upon you for financial support? Do you have the qualifications and experience that make finding another job quickly and easily very likely? |
I accept your point but ultimately there is nothing more soul destroying, and potentially relationship destroying than staying in a job that makes you unhappy. I do have a spouse to support but yes I also have the qualifications and experience to make it easy to shift jobs quickly. I'm actually trying to give up working for employers just now but have just been offered a plum job teaching and assessing air traffic controllers in the ME which is just too good to turn down.....I've managed to get them to agree to a six month rolling contract and a 7-1.30 working day giving me time to write. |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:55 am Post subject: |
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From the California Distance Learning Project:History of Distance Learning
Distance education traces its origins to mid-19th century Europe and the United States. The pioneers of distance education used the best technology of their day, the postal system, to open educational opportunities to people who wanted to learn but were not able to attend conventional schools. People who most benefited from such correspondence education included those with physical disabilities, women who were not allowed to enroll in educational institutions open only to men, people who had jobs during normal school hours, and those who lived in remote regions where schools did not exist.
An Englishman, Isaac Pitman, is credited as an early pioneer. He began teaching shorthand by correspondence in Bath, England in 1840. Students were instructed to copy short passages of the Bible and return them for grading via the new penny post system.
American university level distance education began in 1874 at Illinois Wesleyan University where bachelor and graduate degrees could be obtained in absentia. The Chautauqua movement in about 1882 gave the popular push to correspondence education. The teaching of academic and vocational courses by correspondence became quite popular by 1900 and problems of quality and ethical practice came with the popularity. The National Home Study Council (NHSC) was formed in 1926 in part to address these issues. Accreditation of college and university distance programs fell to the National University Extension Association in 1915.
The invention of educational radio in the 1920s and the advent of television in the 1940s created important new forms of communication for use in distance education. Educators used these new technologies to broadcast educational programs to millions of learners, thus extending learning opportunities beyond the walls of conventional teaching institutions.
The development of reliable long-distance telephone systems in the early 1900s also increased the capacity of distance educators to reach new student populations. But telephone systems never played a prominent role in education until the introduction of new teleconferencing technologies in the 1980s and 1990s. Teleconferencing systems made it possible for teachers to talk with, hear, and see their students in real time - that is, with no delays in the transmissions - even if they were located across the country or around the world.
Distance education increasingly uses combinations of different communications technologies to enhance the abilities of teachers and students to communicate with each other. With the spread of computer-network communications in the 1980s and 1990s, large numbers of people gained access to computers linked to telephone lines, allowing teachers and students to communicate in conferences via computers. Distance education also makes use of computer conferencing on the World Wide Web, where teachers and students present text, pictures, audio, and video. File sharing and communications tools like email, chats and and audio and video conferencing are integral to the Internet model.
Business and university level learners have used a conferencing method known as one-way video/two-way audio where television pictures that are transmitted to particular sites, where people can reply to the broadcasters with a telephone call-in system. Television pictures can also be transmitted in two directions simultaneously through telephone lines, so that teachers and students in one place can see and hear teachers and students in other places. This video-conferencing technology increasingly uses the Internet and Internet2.
Source: http://www.cdlponline.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=whatis&pg=3 |
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custemqui
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
This tends to happen if you hijack a thread with a partially related question. You come on again and forget where you posted.
You'll catch on... it's not all that complicated.
BTW... my advice is to just bite the bullet and get a distance/online degree from an accredited university - assuming that you plan to stay in this field. And if you have the time, energy and money, the DELTA also looks good on the CV. The more qualifications, the more options that you have.
Online degrees are still rather new, so it may take a few more years before they are widely recognized.
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Hi VS, what makes you think that places like Saudi are likely to eventually accept online degrees (such as MA Applied Ling)? Has been any declarations that indicate this? I get the impression they make up rules and then change them on a whim. Kind regards |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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custemqui wrote: |
I get the impression they make up rules and then change them on a whim. |
That pretty much hits the nail on the head. Some universities in Saudi are offering online classes and I believe also, degrees. Always tough to predict what these governments will do... or when.
It is just my opinion that eventually they will have to give in... but I may not live long enough to see it.
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:03 am Post subject: |
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custemqui wrote: |
What makes you think that places like Saudi are likely to eventually accept online degrees (such as MA Applied Ling)? Has been any declarations that indicate this? I get the impression they make up rules and then change them on a whim. |
It's not just Saudi Arabia; Kuwait and Qatar also don't recognize degrees with online coursework. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, all the progressives
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litterascriptor
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:31 am Post subject: |
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I always have wanted to do a by mail correspondence course for giggles. Only problem is finding one that isn't ruinously expensive and actually finding one.
I wonder how places like New Zealand and Australia view distance learning given their history with school via radio and distance learning?
Don't seem to be many by mail courses anymore. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:34 am Post subject: |
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"mail"? People use that any more?
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