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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Staten Island
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:46 pm Post subject: Rejected for Z visa |
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Hi all.
I'm disappointed to say I've been rejected for a simple work visa after weeks of waiting. My school applied for me and it seemed all was well until I got the news today.
I've been poring over every piece of information I could find and it seems many people have no trouble getting Z visas without a BA. I've found no information to the contrary.
Do I have any options? Or do I just take the loss and look at other countries? I'm looking to start working anywhere in Asia ASAP.
Thanks!
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Javelin of Radiance
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1187 Location: The West
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Rejected for Z visa |
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pjmazza419 wrote: |
I've been poring over every piece of information I could find and it seems many people have no trouble getting Z visas without a BA. I've found no information to the contrary. |
Peter, I wouldn't say this is true. There are a lot of people who say or thought they had a Z visa, came to China, worked, had some kind of problem, reported the problem on this forum, some other poster asks them what kind of legal status they have here, and only then do these people realize they have the wrong visa and no residence permit. While there are some schools that can arrange a Z visa and residence permit for people without degrees, I wouldn't say there are many. There are however MANY people without degrees working in China with business and tourist visas. Cambodia is an option for people without degrees. If I remember correctly work visa requirements there are pretty easy.
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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Staten Island
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Rejected for Z visa |
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Thanks for your reply, Javelin.
Talking to the school now over Skype. She basically just told me that some schools have connections, while others don't.
Is it worth it for me to keep trying schools in China and wait for someone to come through? I'm currently inquiring into Indonesia to see what their requirements are. I see nothing about a BA, but some people say you need experience. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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not much to go on.....but from your post is would appear you were NOT
rejected for a z-visa. that would be from the embassy.
you were rejected for a work permit. each province has different standards
as to age, experience, education, native-speakerness.
beijing and guangdong are very strict. yunnan and guangxi not as strict.
"they say" inner mongolia, qinghai, gansu and xinjiang are desperate and
will take anyone with a pulse. where did you apply?
i can confirm the simplicity of cambodian work visas. show up at airport
or land border. pay $20 for tourist visa, or $25 for work visa (30 days).
no paperwork, no sponsorship.....don't even need a business card. once
in a major city, you can extend for a year for around $250 thru most
any old travel agent.
from what hear, not many university positions. plenty of private schools,
but they have worse reputations than chinese language mills. teaching
engrish in cambodia is hard work. |
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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Staten Island
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry for the lack of info, Choudoufu.
The school applied for me, so I guess that is a work visa. I applied to a school in Ningbo, Zhejiang.
It's good to know which regions are desperate, lol. That's info I can put to use!
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rogerwilco
Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 1549
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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choudoufu wrote: |
i can confirm the simplicity of cambodian work visas. show up at airport
or land border. pay $20 for tourist visa, or $25 for work visa (30 days).
no paperwork, no sponsorship.....don't even need a business card. once
in a major city, you can extend for a year for around $250 thru most
any old travel agent.
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It is only the business visa (it is not called a work visa) that can be extended for a year.
"Tourist visas: all are valid for one stay of up to 30 days. Those issued in advance expire 90 days after issue. In Phnom Penh (or elsewhere via agencies), tourist visas can be extended only once, allowing an additional 30 days at a cost of US$15.
Visa-E or Business visa � this is the best choice for those wishing to stay for over two months with multiple entries, as a business visa can be extended indefinitely (approximately US$145 per 6 month extension and US$290 per 12 month extension) and have multiple entry status when (and only when) extended."
http://wikitravel.org/en/Cambodia#Get_in |
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NoBillyNO
Joined: 11 Jun 2012 Posts: 1762
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like lately, in Beijing, anyone over 60 is having a shaky time trying to get extension or new work permits. |
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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Staten Island
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:00 am Post subject: |
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NoBillyNO wrote: |
Seems like lately, in Beijing, anyone over 60 is having a shaky time trying to get extension or new work permits. |
I'm 29, maybe I'm just too old |
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kungfuman
Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 1749 Location: In My Own Private Idaho
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Did they give you a REASON for the rejection?
Is it possible that someone walked into their office that already was in China and needed a job? Much less work for them. |
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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Staten Island
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:31 am Post subject: |
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kungfuman wrote: |
Did they give you a REASON for the rejection?
Is it possible that someone walked into their office that already was in China and needed a job? Much less work for them. |
The school informed me that the reason was my lack of a Bachelors degree.
But I'd much rather believe your explanation.
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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Staten Island
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Also, I was just contacted by another agency saying they have schools that can get me a Visa with an Associates.
And this is a free agency that gets paid by schools, not teachers. I'm super excited and I just hope it's legit.
They said some schools just don't have the connections to get a Visa. Makes sense to me. |
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kungfuman
Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 1749 Location: In My Own Private Idaho
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 am Post subject: |
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pjmazza419 wrote: |
The school informed me that the reason was my lack of a Bachelors degree.
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In some places the rules have tightened so either explanation is plausible |
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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Staten Island
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:22 am Post subject: |
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kungfuman wrote: |
pjmazza419 wrote: |
The school informed me that the reason was my lack of a Bachelors degree.
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In some places the rules have tightened so either explanation is plausible |
So I've heard. I'll report back on these new leads to let people know what's up. Two schools have told me they can get me in with an Associates. |
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Chinese law requires that all teachers have a degree. Some provinces are more strict about following this. I would say that Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Guangdong, Shanghai and Beijing are places to avoid as they tend to enforce these requirements. |
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GuestBob
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 270
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Babala wrote: |
Chinese law requires that all teachers have a degree. Some provinces are more strict about following this. |
I think it actually has less to do with the enforcement of requirements and more to do with employers simply lying on the applicants behalf. |
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