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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Machete Attack in Woolwich Reply with quote

Media in UK giving wide covearge to the murder of a soldier in Woolwich in public by Jihadists.
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Machete Attack in Woolwich Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Media in UK giving wide covearge to the murder of a soldier in Woolwich in public by Jihadists.


Yep. I watch BBC a lot and have noticed the same thing. I thought a "terrorist attack" required a bomb going off killing a LOT of people. Some examples come to mind.

Timothy McVeigh (Some may say he was a "home grown" "terrorist" while others may classify him different)

The 19 highjackers from 911

The Boston marathon bombers

So now when a few guys kill a soldier on the street, it's a terrorist attack?

I don't buy it. It was an attack by two nut jobs. One person died and they were in the military if I remember correctly. Terror attack? I think not.
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But here, just as was true for Nidal Hasan's attack on a Fort Hood military base, the victim of the violence was a soldier of a nation at war, not a civilian. He was stationed at an army barracks quite close to the attack. The killer made clear that he knew he had attacked a soldier when he said afterward: "this British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

The US, the UK and its allies have repeatedly killed Muslim civilians over the past decade (and before that), but defenders of those governments insist that this cannot be "terrorism" because it is combatants, not civilians, who are the targets. Can it really be the case that when western nations continuously kill Muslim civilians, that's not "terrorism", but when Muslims kill western soldiers, that is terrorism? Amazingly, the US has even imprisoned people at Guantanamo and elsewhere on accusations of "terrorism" who are accused of nothing more than engaging in violence against US soldiers who invaded their country.

In the Guardian today, former British soldier Joe Glenton, who served in the war in Afghanistan, writes under the headline "Woolwich attack: of course British foreign policy had a role". He explains:
"While nothing can justify the savage killing in Woolwich yesterday of a man since confirmed to have been a serving British soldier, it should not be hard to explain why the murder happened. . . . It should by now be self-evident that by attacking Muslims overseas, you will occasionally spawn twisted and, as we saw yesterday, even murderous hatred at home. We need to recognise that, given the continued role our government has chosen to play in the US imperial project in the Middle East, we are lucky that these attacks are so few and far between."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-terrorism-blowback
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An act of terrorism does not have to result in large-scale death and maiming to be profoundly shocking and therefore to achieve its aims. The appalling daylight murder of an off-duty soldier in a quiet suburban street in south-east London was in some ways a throwback to an earlier era. Late 19th century anarchists in Europe developed a theory known as the "propaganda of the deed" in which the theatricality of the crime was at least as important as the degree of violence employed.

The two young Nigerian men appeared bent on dramatic effect. They first ran the victim over in their car, then dragged him into the middle of the road and hacked at his body with meat cleavers and other knives, whilst spouting jihadist propaganda and chanting "Allahu Akbar " (God is great).

Rather than fleeing the scene, the killers waited for the arrival of an armed police unit whilst onlookers filmed them with their mobile phones. Both were later shot and wounded and were taken to hospital for treatment.

This is the first death from terrorism on the British mainland since the bus and Tube attacks of July 2005, which killed 52 people and wounded more than 770. In the interim, the police and MI5 have apprehended many home-grown jihadists before they were able to put their plans into effect -some of which have been aimed at British soldiers. In 2008, Parviz Khan was jailed for 14 years after trying to lure a British Muslim soldier with the promise of drugs; he had planned to film his beheading.
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