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Native Speaker Fallacy

 
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Native Speaker Fallacy Reply with quote

We have had this important topic many many times before, but here's a video clip devoted to it. The only trouble is, I can never get to the end of the clip, so boring is the speaker's delivery. Who can watch this to the end and tell me if anything worthwhile was uttered? Zzzzzzzzzzzzz


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG8q99fLn0o#at=146
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Shelby



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't manage to get to the end - I was too busy trying to work out how the pictures were supposed to be relevant.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to watch it. After repeating the same weird pictures and saying the same dam thing 10 times I closed it.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The word 'wake' was used a few times. It was exactly what I found I couldn't stay as whilst trying to watch, hic! Zzzzzzzz
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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was struggling so hard not to speak in Ebonics.

He may have a valid point in saying that non-native English teachers aren't necessarily worse teachers than native Anglophones (and, conversely, that native Anglophones aren't necessarily better English teachers than non-native speakers). His suggestion that non-native teachers should teach in the formal school system and that the native speakers should teach in language schools may have some validity to it, but I'm not convinced.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I can ascertain, which is not much, owing to my falling asleep early on in, he seems to be saying that there is this myth out there promoted by native English speakers themselves that only they can teach English. I know few serious teachers who seriously subscribe to that view. Foreign learners, their parents, their school management, however, all promote this idea much more. True, he says 'we all do this', generously sharing the blame evenhandedly. But do we? I am not convinced at all.

He strikes me of someone who may once have believed he was not up to the job, on account of his non-native status, but now has gone off to the opposite extreme. Some sort of compensation...? Oh I don't knozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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