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Recently qualified ESL Teacher teaching PYP
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Kaymay



Joined: 16 Sep 2013
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Recently qualified ESL Teacher teaching PYP Reply with quote

I have recently completed my CELTA qualification and have a job offer working for Princess Noura. What I would like to know is would newbie ESL Teachers feel out their depth teaching PYP? I have been working in education for 7 years, and teach Functional Skills in English which is very different teaching it as a foreign language.

Any advice would be very much appreciated Very Happy
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hocus pocus



Joined: 29 May 2013
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think functional English is perfect fro ESL in Saudi. You'll do fine.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Functional Skills in English is not the same as functional English, as the OP notes. I think she's correct to be a bit concerned about the transition. Likely some of the old hands will be around shortly with more direct info about how PNU will support (or not) the transition.
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teachr11



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's my understanding that PNU gives each teacher a detailed lesson plan that they can use, and that it's so easy a robot could do it. I wouldn't be worried at all.
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CANDLES



Joined: 01 Nov 2011
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Location: Wandering aimlessly.....

PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it...PNU students are not the most enlightened bunch on the planet.
Worry about where you'll be based, whether you'll form friendship, etc, etc.

With your experience it'll be a walkover.
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myohmy



Joined: 31 Jul 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the time you get here, most of the kinks will be ironed out. However, this semester has been anything but a walkover even for the most seasoned among us. BTW, my students are delightful and intelligent. CANDLES is a jaded and cynical individual. Pay him/her no mind.
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CANDLES



Joined: 01 Nov 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Teacher11 I liked my students at PNU. Some of them were delightful and studious, whilst some were arrogant with crap mentality.

I'm not 'jaded', on the contrary I try and find something positive in all things, including Saudi administration even when they used to lock their doors to have coffee and nourishments, whilst the teachers stood outside impatiently.

I'm also aware that PNU had/have mega problems with administration, staff leaving, accommodation, etc. etc....

So please after years of working, one should be able to at least try and cope with new problems. Rolling Eyes Very Happy

As for assuming that I am a HIM/HER......What do you think? Some PNU students would be delighted to have a HIM!/ or HER!
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Kaymay



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply.

Myohmy, can you tell me if teachers get semester breaks off? Or will I be working all the way through till Eid in July/August?

Also, do they allow you to go out the country before you finish your probation period? I have asked the recruiter this, which he said no you don't, but I wasn't convinced by the way he said it. I'm not sure if he even knew the answer.

FYI my recruiter is Edex
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaymay...

If EDEX have brought you in on a 90 day employment visa, it'll be difficult for you to leave without getting an exit/re-entry visa.

PNU decide the semester breaks, and like all the other universities around, wait till the last minute to notify the teachers. Semester breaks are usually around January and then in April. Some teachers leave for their holidays in June or July and don't do the summer school, if such a thing is still going on.
Technically, July, August should be your holiday.

Eid break is in October- teachers with residency visa (Iqama) will probably go out the country. Rest of us stay put, because the Iqama is being processed.

With the 90 day employment visa---I think you get only an exit visa, because of the new Law...everyone has to have an Iqama.
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Kaymay



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Candles. I will be getting an Iquama but I know that takes a while to come through.

Thanks for the info Very Happy
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nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaymay wrote:
I will be getting an Iquama but I know that takes a while to come through.

The employment visa process can be quite tedious and lengthy as well. Also, since you've missed the start of this academic year, be aware that EdEx may require you to teach in the summer depending on the date you physically arrive in Saudi Arabia---the date your employment contract goes into effect.
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AJ88



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaymay,

How do you know you will be working at PNU if your working for EdEx. As far as I know they're contract states 'anywhere in KSA'.
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Kaymay



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes AJ88, you are right. I quizzed them on this and was told I would be more or less going there. This is why I am uncertain as there are a lot question marks over a couple of points. I got told today by another recruiter that it would be unlikely I would be placed at Princess Nora by Edex as they have a strict requirement of teachers having 2 years ESL experience at the university, and that I could be sent to the back of beyond. They also added that Edex could be using it as a carrot to get me there then send me some where else.

This recruiter was working on behalf of SBC. Does anyone else know if this info is correct?
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AJ88



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaymay wrote:
Yes AJ88, you are right. I quizzed them on this and was told I would be more or less going there. This is why I am uncertain as there are a lot question marks over a couple of points. I got told today by another recruiter that it would be unlikely I would be placed at Princess Nora by Edex as they have a strict requirement of teachers having 2 years ESL experience at the university, and that I could be sent to the back of beyond. They also added that Edex could be using it as a carrot to get me there then send me some where else.

This recruiter was working on behalf of SBC. Does anyone else know if this info is correct?


SBC and EdEx are competitors so Recruiters will tell you all Sorts to discourage you from signing with another company. with With regards to Edex they only hire people with over 2 years experience for all positions so that's pretty strange.

However they do say they place teachers 'where the demand is' so if they require you in PNU then you will go there, but if you do get placed elsewhere you have no backup or support from your contract.

Also SBC has the same contract structure as EdEx as they too state anywhere in the kingdom. However SBC operate in fewer places so you won't be shipped to a remote location with them.
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L├Ącheln



Joined: 06 Aug 2013
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Location: Riyadh

PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaymay wrote:
Yes AJ88, you are right. I quizzed them on this and was told I would be more or less going there. This is why I am uncertain as there are a lot question marks over a couple of points. I got told today by another recruiter that it would be unlikely I would be placed at Princess Nora by Edex as they have a strict requirement of teachers having 2 years ESL experience at the university, and that I could be sent to the back of beyond. They also added that Edex could be using it as a carrot to get me there then send me some where else.

This recruiter was working on behalf of SBC. Does anyone else know if this info is correct?


KayMay, you have more than 2 years teaching experience--7 right? You will be just fine. PNU is still desperate for teachers right now and I know plenty who haven't taught ESL/EFL secifically, but rather other subjects and simply have a TESOL/CELTA certification. That being said, this is still KSA, so anything is game--just prepare yourself for that and you will have a better time adjusting to the unexpected. If you can't handle things being changed all the time including destination, then this is NOT the place for you! And there is absolutely nothing wrong with it not being for you if that is the case Smile It is very hard to leave this country if you don't like it.
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