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what is a "good job" in the uk?
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sprightly



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: what is a "good job" in the uk? Reply with quote

how would you define it?
workplace? hours? pay? holidays? benefits?

i ask because i've been teaching ESL in the uk for 7 yrs, and i think my jobs have been pretty good, but when i come in here is all doom gloom and poverty. what am i missing?
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amisexy



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that this forum is often doom and gloom for every country!

I think a good salary for general English for 1 hour would be around £16ish. I know that I have certainly earned more than £20 per hour for a normal (non-summer school) job.
I think 20/25 days paid holiday + all public holidays is fairly normal for employees.

For academic English I think the wage usually ranges from in the high twenties to the high thirties.

A big problem of course, are dodgy schools offering eight or nine pounds in central London. My advice would be to apply to as many reputable schools in your local area as you can. Then interview and check the salary and conditions for yourself. You should never be loyal to an employer giving you poor conditions.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temporary, part-time at that rate is a good job ? Blow me down !
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sprightly



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was working in the high twenties, and have been able to save enough take two years off for travelling. (i worked during the first year, not sure if i'll work this current year as i'll be more mobile.)

most of my colleagues who were not paying down student debt were able to either rent a nice place (in an expensive city) or save towards a mortgage/make payments on a mortgage. this seems similar to friends who work in other fields, so if there's a problem, it's not necessarily the tefl industry.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in my mid-forties, and most of the friends I met as an undergraduate are now earning well in excess of £100,000 a year.

When they were in their 20's they would have been earning much, much less as they paid their dues and learned their trade - probably earning in the mid to high thirties in today's money.

And they have by no means reached their peak earnings yet. They can expect the lions share of their lifetime income to be earned over the next 20 years.

How does that compare with TEFL?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in my forties, and most of the friends I met as an undergraduate are now earning less than 40,000 a year. Or are freelance (ie. unemployed)

I studied English literature...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxi wrote:
I'm in my forties, and most of the friends I met as an undergraduate are now earning less than 40,000 a year. Or are freelance (ie. unemployed)


Ouch!

I studied Economics and Law.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PC Parrot wrote:
oxi wrote:
I'm in my forties, and most of the friends I met as an undergraduate are now earning less than 40,000 a year. Or are freelance (ie. unemployed)


Ouch!

I studied Economics and Law.


And the moral is...

Good choice pcparrot Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the op - I kinda thought a good job in Tefl in the uk is any one at least 10p over the minimum wage...

Perhaps only:-

Uni or college jobs (real ones) normally £20 or more? Last time for me was about 15 years ago at Dundee College for £17.
I rarely see full-time offers
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxi wrote:

And the moral is...

Good choice pcparrot Very Happy


Not so sure about that ... I left a job in the city and became a TEFLer.

After an initial period of 6 years, living a life of adventure, we have had to spend the last 12 years working in the Gulf to pay for it.

Still, the irony is we can retire to France in 2 to 3 year's time. My high earning friends won't manage it until they are 65.
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sprightly



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxi wrote:

I rarely see full-time offers


international schools, mostly 6th form.
but they are businesses, not true educational centres.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tube drivers in London start on £48,000 per annum.
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sprightly



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and that's a good union at work!

junior doctors in london start on much less 48/yr, as do teachers in state schools.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good test of what an ok job is -

Will it pass the income test for residence for non-EU spouse (£18,600 a year)

http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Spouse_Immigration-UK
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are these ESL jobs in UK (London) especially? The only jobs advertised at the moment are for the summer schools.

It's all very frustrating. Exclamation
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