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Having a Masters in Italy -- more on visas
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GonnaBe



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:44 am    Post subject: Having a Masters in Italy -- more on visas Reply with quote

In a prior post someone was asking about getting a visa, and not to talk about those with Masters' degrees. Is there indeed something about a Masters degree that makes that easier...?


Thanks!

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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A related Masters' might occasionally open the doors to university positions, but rarely.

Private language centres don't need MA holders and would still not be able to get the exceptional visa required to hire a non-EU passport holder.

International school openings are rare and they are looking for teachers certified to teach core subjects in their home countries.

University positions are also rare and it usually takes local contacts and reputation and language skills to land one - simply having an MA is not likely to unlock the door here. There are many MA holders from EU member countries competing for the positions that do come open; it's really very rare to get in on a US passport short of marriage to a local or obtaining a passport via ancestry from an EU member country.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, Spiral! You managed to reply first. I took too long trying to figure out what the question actually was...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Required inferences, fitting the disconnected ideas into the normal 'how can a US (or Canadian or Australian or other) citizen get a work visa for Italy?' Patterns, it's all about patterns.....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Repeated ones. Regularly.

Still made my poor simple mind ache slightly. Then I gave up...
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GonnaBe



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response. Sorry for the confusion -- too late at night.

So, after all is said and done -- how is that you-all are or were there, working? Obviously SOMETHING must work? Or is that called "under the table"?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GonnaBe, some of us are EU citizens Shocked
Or married to them and hence eligible for legal work permits Cool

Under the table is no longer a viable option, since Schengen zone laws went into effect. Google if you're unfamiliar. Chances of being caught are high.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've got Italian ancestry you can get Italian citizenship which will obviously allow you to work here.

Takes a dog's age to get, but lots of US citizens go through the process.

There was a very informative thread about how US people can come and work legally in Italy. You'll have to search through, but lots of ideas and advice.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any EU ancestry would do, wouldn't it? Polish or Portuguese, still have the right to work in Italy. Once you go through the lengthy process of becoming a citizen, that is...
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really not sure about that Sasha. (As in, 'I don't know', rather than 'you're wrong'!)

Jure sanguinis is for people whose grandparents etc emigrated from Italy, allowing descendants to claim ancestry. Otherwise - for other European citizenship, maybe it's just if you were born there or if your most immediate (ie parents) have European citizenship and not renounced it. For example, I knew of an Australian woman whose mother was British, and she could legally work here. Maybe further back it gets more complicated.

For Polish citizenship - definitely not. At least, not yet.

Italian citizenship laws are different from other EU states. There's been a lot of hoo-hah here recently about the status of kids born here but to foreign parents. They won't automatically get Itialian citizenship until age 18.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if we both try harder, we can manage to post five or six more pages on this topic without actually having any facts or evidence. I'm game if you are!
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we could just let the OP go and do his / her own research... I'm not US so I don't really care one way or the other what I'd need to get Italian citizenship / residency. It's all rather complicated, that's for sure. Complicated, time-consuming and costly (as it normally involves lawyers.) Kind of sums up the Italian system!

Still, carry on posting!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Greece has citizenship by descent, as does Ireland, Germany, Poland and Bulgaria, and lots of others.

Here's a helpful Wiki link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

Not sure if that still counts as having no facts. I think it does : )
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GonnaBe



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Austria sure doesn't! Despite having taken my family's land etc at the turn of the century, they will only consider citizenship for people who left due to oppression during WWII. They were pretty darn snotty about it in fact -- writing back in German despite my having told them three times (auf deutsch, and apologetically) that I don't speak German. Finally I wrote them and told them that I speak French, Spanish and English, and understand Italian, and perhaps they had someone who could write in one of those... FWIW I was extraordinarily polite and courteous....
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