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A Resilient Lion



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Qualified primary teacher Reply with quote

Hello,

I have my degree (Bachelor of Education - Primary) with two years working experience in London. I also have an 100 hour online TEFL certificate.

What countries in Europe would I most likely find a ESL teaching position with my qualification and experience?

I'm an Australian citizen.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What countries in Europe would I most likely find a ESL teaching position with my qualification and experience?


http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=1079906&highlight=#1079906

Basically, none. The problem is that primary school teachers in Europe are very nearly all locals. It's very rare to find something in a regular state school as an outsider.

And there are scads of teacher training centres turning out thousands of teachers yearly with on-site certification including supervised teaching practice with real students. Your online cert is substandard for the region for private language schools.

And (sorry for the continuing bad news) Western European countries limit visas for non-EU member citizens to those whose potential employers can prove that there was no EU member citizen available to fill the position. There are tonnes of qualified UK/Irish teachers around Western Europe - it really simply doesn't happen.

Your options to find something in Western Europe include (rare) international school positions - which aren't usually in ESL. They are looking (occasionally) for certified core subject teachers. You could definitely check out international school job openings, but they are honestly pretty rare and often the ones that are advertised are already actually taken - the adverts are submitted to fulfill legal requirements only.

Marriage to an EU member citizen.

Citizenship in an EU member country by ancestry.

Central Europe is an option for non-EU citizens, but an online cert won't cut it there, due to the prevalence of CELTA and equivalent cert course providers in the region.

You say you've taught in the UK for two years - on what basis? Can you translate that to some legal right to work in the EU?
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A Resilient Lion



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
You say you've taught in the UK for two years - on what basis? Can you translate that to some legal right to work in the EU?


Year and a half teaching full time. Six months doing supply teaching.

Just so we are clear and let's keep it plain.

You mean to tell me that having a degree with two years primary teaching experience under the British curriculum, I'm not likely to find a teaching English gig anywhere in Europe? Not even if I was to fly to Prague and look for work, it won't happen?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having experience in the UK still doesn't translate to a legal right to work in the UK - or the rest of the EU.

Prague is Central, not Western Europe. You can legally get a work permit there, given that you find someone who will hire you with only an online cert. The problem is that Prague has five or six teacher training centres that are all CELTA or equivalent, and which turn out literally hundreds of new teachers with supervised teaching practice every few months. You will be competing with EU member citizens, and non-EU member citizens who have recognized onsite certification.

It's not impossible, but you are not a shoo-in. Simply having done the job for 18 months doesn't prove that you've done it well - as the cert courses aim to do. If you can get letters of recommendation from qualified supervisors from the UK that will help.

Or aim for one of the relatively few private primary schools in Prague. They have occasional openings and pay decently, but there is competition from teachers with quals equal to and greater than what you cite here. Still, you could certainly get lucky, given the right timing.

Surer thing? Come to Prague over the late summer (August is ideal) and take a CELTA or equivalent. Then go for face-to-face interviews. This equals a pretty fair shot at finding something legal.
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A Resilient Lion



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that.
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Kofola



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Europe is definitely an easier market for you.

You haven't mentioned what age range you'd be interested in? I think you'd have potential with primary school age children (7-14 in central Europe generally), particularly up to age 10. Young learners are a booming market. I'm frequently asked to take on children but don't seeing as adults are my area of expertise.

If you were interested in this age group I wouldn't do a CELTA, it focuses on adult learners and much of it is irrelevant to this age group.

However, some kind of training experience is essential. You mentioned an online cert - not great but since a B.Ed is a really solid qualification and assuming you can skills transfer it may be enough. It's not my field but I know there are some certs that deal with young learners. You might want to look into that - or if you are still teaching in the UK try to get some supply work in EAL. I know there have been major cutbacks on EAL staff but if you were to pick a London borough like Greenwich or Lewisham, Tower Hamlets etc you might be in with a chance.

If you have QTS then British international schools are another option.

Avoid adults if you can because your BEd is infinitely superior to a CELTA and gives you a major step up.
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A Resilient Lion



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78

Say, you do a CELTA in Prague, which is from what I've read 4 weeks, and they assist you in finding work. Do they assist with work visas also if you are a non-EU citizen?
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you under 30? There are working holiday visas in several European countries for young Aussies.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm over 30.
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