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The Truth about Taiwan...Please!
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torentosan



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: The Truth about Taiwan...Please! Reply with quote

There are job ads all the time on this site for jobs paying 19/20 dollars US. An internet search will show you that the cost of living is low .
So, how can so many people on this site claim that Taiwan is dead as far as ESL jobs go? Some schools are promising at least 25 hours a week.
That would leave plenty left over to save.
So, why all the bad reports?
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Ferfichkin



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are job ads all the time on this site for jobs paying 19/20 dollars US.


There are several Taiwan jobs posted on this site every week, but you have to consider how many people will be applying for those few jobs. And many of those people are already in Taiwan.

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So, how can so many people on this site claim that Taiwan is dead as far as ESL jobs go? Some schools are promising at least 25 hours a week.


The biggest problem, in my opinion, is that the number of full-time jobs has gone down considerably over the years while the number of English teachers in Taiwan has remained relatively steady. This has resulted in increased competition for the full-time jobs that remain, which has put new teachers at a disadvantage since there are usually many experienced teachers willing to take those positions.

The other side of this equation is that the percentage of part-time jobs has increased. The trouble with part-time jobs, apart from the inconvenience of having to work two jobs, is that most of these schools can't offer a visa. As a result, they will usually try to hire someone with an independent visa if they can. This is of no help to new teachers since they require visa sponsorship to work legally.

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So, why all the bad reports?


That pretty much sums it up. It's a tough market right now, and I don't see it improving anytime soon. If you do decide to come to Taiwan, I would suggest two things:

(1) Be flexible, about the job itself, but especially about the location. From what I've heard, Taoyuan and Hsinchu seem to have the most work right now.

(2) Have money. Getting a decent full-time job might take some time. Personally, I wouldn't go with less than $4000-$5000 in the bank.

Hope this helps.
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ncaraway



Joined: 15 Feb 2010
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Location: Tainan, Taiwan

PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have lived in Taiwan for two years now and plan to be here permanently. I agree with Ferfichkin completely.

Full-time teaching jobs are few and far between. Part-time jobs are plentiful, though few of those are willing to help you get a visa. I am semi-retired and have a marriage visa so I don't need to earn a lot but I was working three part-time gigs at my peak. They offered between 3-6 hours a week.
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Ferfichkin



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Full-time teaching jobs are few and far between. Part-time jobs are plentiful, though few of those are willing to help you get a visa. I am semi-retired and have a marriage visa so I don't need to earn a lot but I was working three part-time gigs at my peak. They offered between 3-6 hours a week.


Since you're semi-retired, I can see how you wouldn't necessarily want, or need, a full-time job, but I'm curious about why you worked three part-time jobs. Wouldn't it have been easier to just work one full-time job? With local experience and a marriage visa, I'm sure you could find one. No?
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ncaraway



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ferfichkin wrote:
Since you're semi-retired, I can see how you wouldn't necessarily want, or need, a full-time job, but I'm curious about why you worked three part-time jobs. Wouldn't it have been easier to just work one full-time job? With local experience and a marriage visa, I'm sure you could find one. No?


Good question, Ferfichkin.

The upside of working 3 part-time jobs is that as a newbie teacher I got exposure to different curricula and different management styles. This is important because I've discovered that most schools here don't care about professional development. Management's attitude seems to be "sink or swim". If you aren't a good teacher they will not help you become one, they will simply get another teacher. I want to become a good teacher but got no help from the schools.

The other side of the coin is that I am 50 years old and the big chains that offer full-time work seem to prefer young teachers. I applied to two and was turned down. There is full-time work in some public schools but that requires teacher certification, which I lack. I debated getting certified before I moved from the US but given my age I didn't think it would be worth it; not enough time to get a ROI since I only intend to work 5-10 years.
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Ferfichkin



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotcha. That makes sense.

Can't you work in public schools with a JFRV?
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Taylor



Joined: 24 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PUBLIC Schools are a disorganized Nightmare for "foreign" English teachers.
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Ferfichkin



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PUBLIC Schools are a disorganized Nightmare for "foreign" English teachers.


I've heard mixed reviews. Disorganized in what way?
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Taylor



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ferfichkin,

I've been back in the US for a few years now... So I don't want to give you any outdated info.

If anyone agrees or disagrees with my comments, I'd love to hear what others have to say before I elaborate.

Best wishes,

Taylor
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Spelunker



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:43 am    Post subject: is it doable on the ground running? Reply with quote

Thailand seems scary and frightening to teach in....what about Taiwan? and is a criminal check needed!
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JZer



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A criminal background check is not needed to teach in Taiwan.
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Alien1982



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: is it doable on the ground running? Reply with quote

Spelunker wrote:
Thailand seems scary and frightening to teach in....what about Taiwan? and is a criminal check needed!
What's wrong with Thailand?
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Spelunker



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:47 am    Post subject: the protests Reply with quote

Aside from the recent protests in Bangkok, the fact that foreigners have been shot and killed, it has a very high gun crime rate. A british couple were killed by a thai policeman after an argument at his restaurant.

I would simply not set foot there, too many mean looking scary people,much like burmese I suspect they have a savage streak.
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Spelunker



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:48 am    Post subject: no criminal check? Reply with quote

China is insisting I must go home?

Is taiwan doable on the ground running? Rolling Eyes
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ncaraway



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: no criminal check? Reply with quote

Spelunker wrote:
China is insisting I must go home?

Is taiwan doable on the ground running? Rolling Eyes


As mentioned earlier, securing full-time work in Taiwan is not easy. Part-time jobs seem to be plentiful. The problem with part-time, however, is that they usually do not provide you with a work visa.

If you know where you'd like to live in Taiwan, consider subscribing to the relevant Yahoo Group, which is where many jobs are posted (e.g., Kaohsiung Living, Tainan Bulletin, etc). They will usually give you an idea what the market is like at any given time.

Good luck
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