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Disillusioned with ESL
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Xie Lin



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear johntpartee,

"The Motherland calls but once; kinda like "opportunity".

Kinda like The Grim Reaper, too. Very Happy

Regards,
John




John,

If the Grim Reaper calls, and you do not answer, he will call again. You can be sure of it.

Regards,
Xie Lin

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ttxor1



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fat_chris wrote:
I worked full-time as a classroom ESL teacher in the New York City Department of Education for three years. The benefits and salary were in order, but it was the toughest thing I have ever done. I would never go back to it.


fat_crhris,

at some points during this marathon Saudi visa process, i got discouraged and wanted to bail out. i looked for options teaching Stateside, and applied to the NYC Teaching Fellows program, but didn't get in. Could you give me any insights as to why this might have been? I saw that they don't review applicants who have done graduate work, but on another page they presented various statistics about those who made it in, some of whom did have graduate degrees...Am I missing something here? I looked at other options for teaching ESL in NYC, and saw that obtaining a teaching license is the only other way to go. but there seemed to be at least 5 or 6 different routes to certification in NY.

Why was teaching in NYC the toughest thing you've ever done?

thank you!

ttxor1
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Sashadroogie



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear johntpartee,

"The Motherland calls but once; kinda like "opportunity".

Kinda like The Grim Reaper, too. Very Happy

Regards,
John


Not too far off the mark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLPM5VnOjHY
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sasha,

A stirring statue - a fitting and moving memorial.

Regards.
John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Johnslat

Yes, it is. And now that it has been re-enforced, it shouldn't topple over. Unlike some of the other ones...


With Communist greetings

Sasha
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttxor1 wrote:
at some points during this marathon Saudi visa process, i got discouraged and wanted to bail out. i looked for options teaching Stateside, and applied to the NYC Teaching Fellows program, but didn't get in. Could you give me any insights as to why this might have been? I saw that they don't review applicants who have done graduate work, but on another page they presented various statistics about those who made it in, some of whom did have graduate degrees...Am I missing something here? I looked at other options for teaching ESL in NYC, and saw that obtaining a teaching license is the only other way to go. but there seemed to be at least 5 or 6 different routes to certification in NY.

Why was teaching in NYC the toughest thing you've ever done?


That was way back from 2004 to 2007 when the NYCDOE was hiring more people. I am not sure how it is now, but I suspect that they are hiring less now. I believe they were even in a "hiring freeze" a few years ago. They may simply be taking less people than they took before, making the application process even more competitive.

I worked on a Transitional B certificate which was eventually converted to an Initial teaching certificate once I nailed down requirements. I was not in the NYC Teaching Fellows but I was in a different teaching fellowship program.

I was teaching ESL to fourth graders in a NYCDOE elementary school in Washington Heights in northern Manhattan. It was tough! Many of the kids had loads of issues and brought those issues into the classroom. I love teaching and I will spend loads of time preparing for my lessons, but some days teaching was the last thing that got done, because I had to attend to students' needs and defuse a crisis situation. That frustrated me incredibly.

Good luck with it all! Teaching in the NYCDOE really depends on the school and the administration at the school.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It occurs to me that if one is disillusioned, one must be admitting that one was "illusioned" to start with. Very Happy

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John
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Dis ting called ... Reply with quote

Wouldn't that be "lusioned" in American English, John? "I'm like, totally lusioned, dude." Very Happy
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
For Korea you have to have a MA.
In Korea there is competition for the good jobs. The days where you could get a job at a university with just a BA are probably over.
In Japan it looks like merely a MA is not enough.


Mind posting a link to such job ads?
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
It occurs to me that if one is disillusioned, one must be admitting that one was "illusioned" to start with. Very Happy

Regards,
John


Guns 'N Roses used their illusion. Twice! And then it appears that they lost it.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear fat_chris,

Nice illusion allusion. Very Happy

Regards.
John
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear fat_chris,

Nice illusion allusion. Very Happy

Regards.
John


John,

Thanks.

I used some allusion to discuss illusion without any elusion.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many delusions of grandeur going on here...
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LongShiKong wrote:
mitsui wrote:
For Korea you have to have a MA.
In Korea there is competition for the good jobs. The days where you could get a job at a university with just a BA are probably over.
In Japan it looks like merely a MA is not enough.


Mind posting a link to such job ads?


Can't talk about the land of the morning calm here but you can check the job boards or PM me about new visa regulations.

As for Japan I've heard for a long time that you need publications and some Japanese to get your foot in the door.

That being said there are exceptions but it seems like more and more employers want an MA.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reached the same state of disillusion about 1978. Alas, it was too late for me to change course and so my ship sailed on. I now have found a safe haven in retiremenet and have no more daily concerns about EFLing students or colleagues.

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