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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFL Educator wrote:
Come here to teach English and leave YOUR POLITICS at home...enjoy Thailand! Very Happy


Why? Crap ESL jobs at the same wages as 20 years ago AND being a PART of the problem, not the solution.
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EFL Educator



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teach in the land of smiles and smile....enjoy Thailand! Smile
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TomAndHuck



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(1) Military Coup slashes Education budget by 1 trillion baht,

(2) Coup cancels 5.4 billion baht program to provide tablet computers to all high school students during their study careers. we were told endlessly for 3 years that it's toooooo expensive. Same week this program is cancelled, Coup self-appoints a "Reform Council" stacked with themselves - total budget 10 billion baht before cost overruns.

(3) Yesterday, protests against America were deemed LEGAL by the coup, but reading Orwell, eating sandwiches, wearing red, giving a 3 finger salute, posting stickers that say "2+2=4" in public, or criticizing the coup are illegal.

(4) Soldiers are posted in every broadcast media to insure that no criticism of the coup is made public.

(5) Mr. Sombat, the organizer of Sunday exercise clubs is now in the Gulag, looking at 14 years in prison.

(6) Tourism is down 46%

(7) "Interior Ministry" now fronted by military personnel has requested that Immigration cancel the policy of offering free visa-on arrival to US, NZ, AUS and EU countries.

Leave your politics at home means leave your "progressive politics" at home. Progressive politics out. Regressive ultra reactionary fascist politics all day every day are just fine. You are in North Korea now, so you must respect the ways and customs of North Korea.

"The first condition of understanding a foreign country is to smell it."
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like too much CNN for you but if you tell me where you are I can turn you in for being disruptive and then I can collect the 500 baht reward.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFL Educator- please go away and take your smiles with you! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy You obviously have .... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad nothing to say! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Nothing to discuss! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:45 am    Post subject: Protester may face lese majeste for holding “Long Live USA Reply with quote

Thai police arrested and charged a woman protester for gathering to show support for the US in front of the US embassy, Bangkok, on 4 July, or the Independence Day...The police told her that by holding the placard “Long Live USA Day,” she may have violated the Article 112 under the Criminal Code or the lese majeste law. The police accused that the phrase aimed at parodying “Long Live the King.” She tried to explain to the police that the phrase “long live” can be used in many contexts.

Other messages on the placards of Chaowanat read:
“Long live USA day Please help us, we need democracy. But, Thai elite dislike democracy.Thai junta pretended not to know. USA, AUS, EU, NZ, etc... Please help us. No martial law. No coup”

She was detained twice by the plain-clothes authorities, but was then released. The military and police later arrested her at her house in eastern Bangkok o 6 July. She is now detained at the Crime Suppression Division.

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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Protester may face lese majeste for holding “Long Live Reply with quote

TomAndHuck wrote:
Other messages on the placards of Chaowanat read:
“Long live USA day Please help us, we need democracy. But, Thai elite dislike democracy.Thai junta pretended not to know. USA, AUS, EU, NZ, etc... Please help us. No martial law. No coup”


Clearly an agent provocateur seeking assistance from a foreign power to intervene in Thai political affairs and overthrow the current government.

What was that quote from GW Bush as he was forming up his coalition of the damned to go to war ..."If you're not with us you're against us".

High treason, sedition, inciting insurrection, disloyalty to her country. Lock her up.

Oh. Sorry. It is "US Homeland Security" that routinely does that.
Pot meet kettle. Kettle meet pot.

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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: Protester may face lese majeste for holding “Long Live Reply with quote

suphanburi wrote:


Clearly an agent provocateur seeking assistance from a foreign power to intervene in Thai political affairs and overthrow the current government.

What was that quote from GW Bush as he was forming up his coalition of the damned to go to war ..."If you're not with us you're against us".

High treason, sedition, inciting insurrection, disloyalty to her country. Lock her up.

Oh. Sorry. It is "US Homeland Security" that routinely does that.
Pot meet kettle. Kettle meet pot.

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No, I don't think so. Was anyone locked up for merely standing in front of an embassy in the USA supporting their country or denouncing Bush with slogans after Bush's speech

Also Bush was elected by the electoral college (the law of the land) even though Gore had more popular votes. However the popular vote was extremely close between Bush and Gore (as well as the electoral college). Is it possible that you could say the same about the elections between Thaksin and his party and the other candidates? No, Thaksin's party would absolutely overwhelm any other candidate supported by the King and his military cronies in any election. I would like to stand in front of the US Embassy and do the same thing the protester that got her arrested did.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFL teaching won't put you in jail....but talking POLITICS will. Enjoy the Land of Smiles and smile! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julian Assange comes to mind. Not an American. Never stepped foot in America mind you (so wasn't in front of a foreign embassy in America).
Wanted by the US to face charges of conspiracy, treason and espionage in the US. How does that work?

How is that any different than Bush prior to his invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan? (conspiring to overthrow a foreign government for the sake of regime change). I guess he is just a common war criminal.

At least this lady broke the law in the country she was a citizen of, resident of, and present in.
Whether you like the law or the government is not relevant.
It is the law, she was aware of it, and she broke it.
Now she will pay for it.

Even in the States, civil disobedience can (and often does) get you arrested.

    - as in the Seattle 1999 protests - even before the riots broke out).
    - how about burning a few American flags - usually good enough to get yourself arrested in a few states.
    - How about burning a copy of the constitution - that can get you dead (Kent State - May '69 (for those of us old enough to remember the (illegal) American invasion of Cambodia)).


Pot meet kettle.
Kettle meet pot.
Nothing worse than a "holier than thou", hypocrite, American nationalist.
Home of the indoctrinated, Land of the downtrodden.

Americans Less Satisfied With Freedom

http://www.gallup.com/poll/172019/americans-less-satisfied-freedom.aspx

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teach English in the Land of smiles...not politics! Enjoy Thailand and smile! Smile Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suphanburi wrote:
Julian Assange comes to mind. Not an American. Never stepped foot in America mind you (so wasn't in front of a foreign embassy in America).
Wanted by the US to face charges of conspiracy, treason and espionage in the US. How does that work?


If they can get him they should do all that. What he did was conspiracy, was espionage and possibly treason. Trying to acquire and publish state secrets usually nets you something like that.

suphanburi wrote:
How is that any different than Bush prior to his invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan? (conspiring to overthrow a foreign government for the sake of regime change). I guess he is just a common war criminal.


The government of Afghanistan (The Taliban) was complicit in destroying the World Towers and killing over 2000 people in Manhattan. I personally thought going to war with Iraq was a bad idea given the problems that an insurgency would create after the fall of Iraq, which it did. I see nothing wrong though morally in of itself with overthrowing somebody like Saddam Hussein, neither did most of the Iraqis by the way. This is just plain Apples and Oranges, this has nothing to do with somebody exercising what would be their right in a western country to peacefully protest in front of an embassy.

suphanburi wrote:
At least this lady broke the law in the country she was a citizen of, resident of, and present in.
Whether you like the law or the government is not relevant.
It is the law, she was aware of it, and she broke it.
Now she will pay for it.


Other countries laws are relevant to people outside the country. Thailand's cesspool education system with teachers being paid to raise students grades, and teachers requesting that you teach English topics like fortune telling is relevant. Also relevant is the Ministry of Education's directive that Thai schools be used to promote Thai culture is relevant, especially considering the fact that Thai culture is the problem with Thai education. This goes with all Asian cultures. They are the enemies of education.
You might read this business article. It illuminates one billionaire's business dealings with the King and his relatives. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-07-08/american-billionaire-made-in-thailand-keeping-kingdom-bet

suphanburi wrote:
Even in the States, civil disobedience can (and often does) get you arrested.
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- as in the Seattle 1999 protests - even before the riots broke out).
- how about burning a few American flags - usually good enough to get yourself arrested in a few states.
- How about burning a copy of the constitution - that can get you dead (Kent State - May '69 (for those of us old enough to remember the (illegal) American invasion of Cambodia)).


If a person's civil disobedience is disruptive and the police tell you to clear out than yes you can get arrested. As far as burning American Flags the supreme court (the law of the land) has made it clear that doing that is legal and a form of protest. At Kent State the protesters were killed because the National Guard either panicked or there was an error in the command structure. Unfortunately those things can happen. It had nothing to do with burning the constitution, which by the way is also a legal form of protest in the US. Also it is nothing like the lives destroyed by dirty cops that have there own territories and get pay offs to ignore child prostitution and rip off schemes and children getting dumber and smaller in size in the North because nobody in the Thai government, except for the Thaksin governments, cares about providing food and money to those areas


suphanburi wrote:
Pot meet kettle.
Kettle meet pot.
Nothing worse than a "holier than thou", hypocrite, American nationalist.
Home of the indoctrinated, Land of the downtrodden.


You should learn how to reason. The majority of people from the West would understand much of what I am saying it's not just American Nationalism. What poverty there is in the US is nothing compared to the poverty created by the elite in Thailand. That you would assume that every non-American would agree with your anti-American attitude is ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The politics of teaching English is a more interesting topic for discussion on this board.....consider yourself lucky to be teaching English in the Land of Smiles. A very rewarding EFL experience in more ways thsn one! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thailand: Editor Arrested for Facebook Comments
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/08/thailand-editor-arrested-facebook-comments

Rajprasong_News @Rajprasong_News
Bloomberg: Tourist arrivals in June in #Thailand plunged 37 percent, following a 22 percent drop in May.

Video of Thai soldiers, armed with automatic weapons and a noose (?) intimidate a food vendor to remove the sticker for the last elected majority political party Phuea Thai. Claiming that such displays are "divisive" now that the country is no longer run by elections, but by military carrying guns and nooses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-Fl5ZIgbk

Here's a tourist enjoying the beach with soliers in fatigues armed with fully automatic M-16 rifles.
https://scontent-b-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10417463_1463858823862076_4228246893236858282_n.jpg

Is this a great country or what?

Statement today from Pavin Chachavalpongpun, Thai professor at Kyoto University:

"The coup makers obviously violated Thai laws, and in particular, the Thai army which has been involved in political violence in the past...Myself, just an academic who expresses opinion honestly, without being charged of any crime--but an arrest warrant was issued against me, and now having my passport revoked. Luckily I can lean on Japan, which provides me with job and legal status."

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This thread says politics kids, for those who are interested,
it doesn't say "Just shut up and be a fascist". But $ says that's exactly what the next two comments will imply.
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