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Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam?
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Mike S.



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:16 am    Post subject: Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam? Reply with quote

Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam?

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/res/4470989814.html
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psychedelicacy



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very clearly a joke.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam? Reply with quote

Mike S. wrote:
Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam?

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/res/4470989814.html


Laughing ROFL Laughing
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam? Reply with quote

Mike S. wrote:
Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam?

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/res/4470989814.html


How about THIS?

Working time:
- 20 hours of face-to-face teaching per week (most important responsibility);
- 15 hours per week for lesson preparation, academic meetings with local English teachers, open days, professional development program for staff, school excursions, etc. (maximum of 35 working hours per week)
- Monday to Saturday, usual school hours from 7:00am - 11:15am in the morning and 1:15pm - 4:35pm in the afternoon (detail timetable assigned by Schedulers).

Compensation: Living allowance: USD 600

YES, that's right!

Just 35 HOURS, SIX DAYS a WEEK, and YOU get SIX-HUNDRED DOLLARS!

Don't wait folks! Spots are going FAST!
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Big_H



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, you're just jealous because he so handsome and teaches English more better for you...
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TRH



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

psychedelicacy wrote:
Very clearly a joke.

Isn't that an old Robert Redford picture?
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Mike S.



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Location: HCMC, Vietnam

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject: I'm almost ready to become a Buddhist monk Reply with quote

Yes, I do believe it is an old RR photo and from what I've seen things really are that bad in Vietnam. I'm almost ready to become a Buddhist monk. Can anyone recommend a Buddhist monastery in Vietnam?
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam? Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Mike S. wrote:
Is this really how bad things have become in Vietnam?

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/res/4470989814.html


How about THIS?

Working time:
- 20 hours of face-to-face teaching per week (most important responsibility);
- 15 hours per week for lesson preparation, academic meetings with local English teachers, open days, professional development program for staff, school excursions, etc. (maximum of 35 working hours per week)
- Monday to Saturday, usual school hours from 7:00am - 11:15am in the morning and 1:15pm - 4:35pm in the afternoon (detail timetable assigned by Schedulers).

Compensation: Living allowance: USD 600

YES, that's right!

Just 35 HOURS, SIX DAYS a WEEK, and YOU get SIX-HUNDRED DOLLARS!

Don't wait folks! Spots are going FAST!


This is from a real job ad, not a joke.

And they expect qualified TEFL'ers to apply for this "job"? But they must get folks to fall for it...
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They might mean $600 a week. Probably not though.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With Stupid wrote:
They might mean $600 a week. Probably not though.


FULL COPY of the JOB AD:


Native English Speakers for TEACH & EXPLORE Culture PROGRAM in Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh City)
compensation: Living allowance: USD 600 + Incentive
contract job internship

*Program description:
- Being of English teacher as a local staff in a public high school and teaching English for high school students (Grade 10, 11 and 12). The class size is around 20-25 students. The spacious class rooms are air-conditioned, free WIFI and fully equipped. The courses includes: English for communication, major focus on speaking, listening and presentation skills;
- Provide advice for students on academic concerns;
- Working place: a public high school in District 12, Ho Chi Minh City, Viet Nam;
- Contract time: 25 August 2014 -- 25 April 2015 (8 months).

*Requirements:
- Sense of high responsibility, serious in work with good manner of a teacher;
- Teaching experience and knowledgeable in IELTS, TOEFL is a great plus;
- Be able to inspire even the low level students to learn and help them listen and speak good English after a course;
- College/University Degree;
- Qualifications in TESOL/TEFL or equivalent.

* Working time:
- 20 hours of face-to-face teaching per week (most important responsibility);
- 15 hours per week for lesson preparation, academic meetings with local English teachers, open days, professional development program for staff, school excursions, etc. (maximum of 35 working hours per week)
- Monday to Saturday, usual school hours from 7:00am - 11:15am in the morning and 1:15pm - 4:35pm in the afternoon (detail timetable assigned by Schedulers).

*Benefits:
- Provided air-con single accommodation with full furniture, individual toilet/bathroom, free WIFI at a hotel in a 3-minute walking distance from the school;
- Paid 3 weeks for vacation (1 week in mid-term and 2 weeks in TET holiday/Lunar New Year -- around January-February) on top of paid public holidays (Sundays, National Day - 02 September; Teacher Day -- 20 November; New Year Eve . . . );
- Paid for visa fee and work permit fee;
- Free using of swimming pool at the school;
- Vietnamese lessons and local living assistance (02 hours per week);
- Cultural excursions: at least 01 excursion with students and/or local English teachers;
- Airport Pick-up;
- Living allowance: USD 600 per month + incentive (for full completion of 20 face-to-face teaching hours per week).

* Application:
- Cover letter with updated picture, CV (detailed working experiences);
- Copies of passport and legalized degrees/certificates/qualifications;
- and Legalized police check/judicial record, legalized general medical check (legalized at Vietnam Embassy/Consulate in your home country) are kindly requested to send by the 30 June 2014 to

___________________________________________________________

Simple math:

$600USD divided by 140 (35 hours per week, 4 weeks per month)

=

$4.28USD per hour "Salary"

Typical low-end/entry-gig in Vietnam:

$15USD per hour. 20 hours per week.

$1,200USD monthly.
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Daveric



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone seriously told me about teachers working like this before, but I didn't want to believe it. I guess with massive unemployment in some parts of the West, some people are actually taking these positions. It's downright tragic.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daveric wrote:
Someone seriously told me about teachers working like this before, but I didn't want to believe it. I guess with massive unemployment in some parts of the West, some people are actually taking these positions. It's downright tragic.


Well, the TRUTH about working in Vietnam needs to be told.

So sick and tired of folks going to VN, thinking there are plenty of $20USD an hour jobs everywhere... NOT TRUE!
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Daveric wrote:
Someone seriously told me about teachers working like this before, but I didn't want to believe it. I guess with massive unemployment in some parts of the West, some people are actually taking these positions. It's downright tragic.


Well, the TRUTH about working in Vietnam needs to be told.

So sick and tired of folks going to VN, thinking there are plenty of $20USD an hour jobs everywhere... NOT TRUE!


Well, there are a lot of $20 per hour jobs in Vietnam, especially in Saigon and Hanoi. The main problem is that most of them are full. Razz
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kurtz



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ExpatLuke wrote:
Prof.Gringo wrote:
Daveric wrote:
Someone seriously told me about teachers working like this before, but I didn't want to believe it. I guess with massive unemployment in some parts of the West, some people are actually taking these positions. It's downright tragic.


Well, the TRUTH about working in Vietnam needs to be told.

So sick and tired of folks going to VN, thinking there are plenty of $20USD an hour jobs everywhere... NOT TRUE!


Well, there are a lot of $20 per hour jobs in Vietnam, especially in Saigon and Hanoi. The main problem is that most of them are full. Razz


Is 20/hr the golden standard now? Things really have become bad in Vietnam if such a low hourly rate is eagerly sort after.
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hourly rates are standard for Danang, and only a handful of schools pay as much as $20 per hour. Most will pay from $14 to $17 per hour.
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