Site Search:
 
TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Working in OMAN colleges - feedback please
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
 
Post new topic   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Oman
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Tazz



Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 142
Location: Jakarta

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

500 OMR per day withdrawal? As far as I'm aware all the banks have a thousand a day limit.....certainly HSBC do. Good final point about taking a little 'mini vacation' before departure-I really feel that giving a one week break between semesters could make all the difference for the teachers stuck working at the inner MOM and MOHE colleges....end of December until middle of July is a loooong haul! Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
omanoman



Joined: 11 Jun 2014
Posts: 78

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:04 am    Post subject: rights and conditions Reply with quote

Thought I would jump in here and help to clarify a couple of things....

First off, it seems that CVN-76 and Whatever will be have had or are having a tough time and will leave Oman with a bitter taste. It's a shame because the vast majority of teachers here ( how many are there, at least hundreds, right?) are doing just fine.

I just want to specifically comment on this exit procedure that these two have just commented on - there is no special desk for teachers at the airport - that makes it sound like we are so much more problematic or even considered distinctive than anyone else. There is a Manpower desk, true, but that is the Ministry procedure for all, you are stamped out upon exit, end of story. Doesn't it make sense to do that at the point of departure? The same desk exists at the Wajaja border crossing on the road out to UAE.

And more importantly, the law is very clear on the sponsor providing the air ticket out - download and check out the labor law if you haven't already:

www.manpower.gov.om/portal/en/labourlaw.aspx

There are many things in the law here which seem vague and are hard to understand for specific circumstances, but this is not one of those clauses. I sure hope that you two have not been subjected to that sort of abuse or if you are just winding up the board to post some vitriol at your employer but anyway, your rights are clear and will be respected.

I have been here for many years in several places and positions and feel that this general condemnation of employers in Oman is grossly exaggerated. I have been reading what some posters are putting out there and it's only fair to balance it with another perspective.

Again, I am truly sorry if your experience has been so negative and for the ticket issue, know your rights and sort it out!

omanoman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pooroldedgar



Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like if I work a year and a half, I get a year and a half gratuity? Even if I leave before the end of the current school year. Can anyone confirm?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
MuscatGary



Joined: 03 Jun 2013
Posts: 831
Location: Flying around the ME...

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: rights and conditions Reply with quote

omanoman wrote:
I have been here for many years in several places and positions and feel that this general condemnation of employers in Oman is grossly exaggerated. I have been reading what some posters are putting out there and it's only fair to balance it with another perspective.omanoman


The OP asked why the recruiters were constantly recruiting. The fact is that the ex-pat teacher attrition rate is shockingly, and consistently high in Oman. People vote with their feet for a reason.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Whatever will be



Joined: 05 Feb 2014
Posts: 104

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuscatGary:
You're spot on!

pooroldedgar:
It depends on your contract.

omanoman:

Thank you for your sympathy and the reference link.

My experience in Oman has been very disappointing (support from the recruitment agency, induction, actual working conditions...)

My contract has a small monthly allowance for air ticket. This covers the legal requirement but not the real cost for my ticket back to my home country.
There is no gratuity at the end of the contract either. Again its a small monthly allowance.

Turn over rates for staff are between 20-25 %. If you look up annual reports of various institutions, you will see that in their own statistics.

Most teachers in the place where I work are from India, the Philippines, other Arab countries (Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan) or " the stans" (formerly the USSR). They will admit over a cup of coffee or a lunch that they are unhappy but never publicly so for fear of losing their job.

The English language skills of these teachers are rather poor. It is clear that they are not posting in this forum as contributions in here are fairly sophisticated in terms of Grammar, Vocabulary, etc.


Last edited by Whatever will be on Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:43 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
omanoman



Joined: 11 Jun 2014
Posts: 78

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of these benefits being attached to the monthly packages. Same difference I suppose - as long as they are clearly defined in the contract then I don't see a problem with that. Still, it's probably a bit sneaky if it means the overall amount is the same as before, just cut into more pieces.

To the other poster, yes once you have passed the year mark, the gratuity benefit kicks in for the year and any portion worked thereafter.

Lose and loose, sorry to bring it up but ......it's a bit of a peeve. Please edit!

Omanoman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CVN-76



Joined: 28 Mar 2014
Posts: 115

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:21 am    Post subject: Re: rights and conditions Reply with quote

MuscatGary wrote:

The OP asked why the recruiters were constantly recruiting. The fact is that the ex-pat teacher attrition rate is shockingly, and consistently high in Oman. People vote with their feet for a reason.....


I saw this as well. High turnover, at least among the westerners, that is. I've heard of bets being made on how long the week's new westerner(s) would last. I saw teachers who lasted a month, a week, a day, and only a couple of hours. This is no exaggeration. The desk at the airport used to be there. I know this for a fact. It may or may not be there now, and it may or may not be a 'special' desk. Perhaps it's where the agency reps have to go to cancel a teacher's visa on that teacher's way out the door. Who knows. What I do know is the agencies in Oman are like Burger Thing, et al...always hiring.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
omanoman



Joined: 11 Jun 2014
Posts: 78

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to be clear, again, there is an office, desk, with a window, for the ministry of manpower. It serves to cancel out sponsored visas for every soul who exits the country . It is not for teachers alone because they leave in droves due to the shocking conditions they have endured.

I will repeat my earlier points to add some perspective to this thread which seems to be intent on convincing new comers that Oman is some sort of living hell on earth....

I know teachers that have stayed for a month, a year, two years, 3-5 years and 6 to 7 years and more. I know some who came here without the slightest clue about the culture, heat, food or amenities and left in a huff because they turned out not to be the shining VIP educators they assumed they were, with requisite treatment, plush apartments and grade 'A' students. And I know those who make small differences in their students lives and sleep very well at night for that measure of success. I know many who have the " patience to deal with things they cannot change, the courage to change what they can and the wisdom to know the difference" .

And I know the clock watchers, time wasters, drunks and xenophobes along side the disciplined, respectful, energetic and open minded people who make it worthwhile for the rest of us.

So, there is that as well going on in Oman.....just so you know...

Cheers!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CANDLES



Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Posts: 453
Location: Wandering aimlessly.....

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I work with you OmanOman, because you've described some of the teachers down to a pat! Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
omanoman



Joined: 11 Jun 2014
Posts: 78

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might be.....depending on the level of inebriation, I can probably pass for any one of the above categories! ( happy face ? ) I'm not very adept at this with the ipad......

Seriously though, this situation with the air ticket being part of a monthly allowance is probably not fully above board as far as the Ministry is concerned, after all that clause in the law about repatriation is for the purpose of ensuring that people who have abandoned ( in the language of the labor law) the work or have been terminated must leave the country. Otherwise, it seems like a loose end from the sponsor side.

Any thoughts on that?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Whatever will be



Joined: 05 Feb 2014
Posts: 104

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

omanoman

Adding a tiny amount (20 RO) to the monthly wage for airfare (which doesn't buy a plane ticket home) and for gratuity (10 RO) makes the salary look higher than that offered by other recruitment agencies.
This 'fiddling' means overall less money for the teacher.

By the time the teacher realizes that, s/he is locked into a contract.

Any teacher not serving until the end of the contract is banned from Oman for 2 years. So, why should the employer worry?
The just file the teacher as 'absconding'.

There are already stories emerging that teachers are offered less salary upon signing for another contract (after their initial one lapsed) for the 2014/2015 academic year. They either sign the same job for less money or have to leave Oman for 2 years.

Yes, I am sure that teachers arrived here 20 years, 10 years or even 5 years ago and had a lovely time but things are changing - and not for the better.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
omanoman



Joined: 11 Jun 2014
Posts: 78

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does sound distressing and cheap by the recruiters. I won't say " well, just find another" because the rules have changed.

Still, I think it is worth unpacking this contract manipulation that it seems they are doing. First, know what is your "basic" salary and divide that by 12 for the monthly allowance for gratuity.

The law states that the first 3 years is half the basic salary for gratuity, so if your basic is 600, then 300 divided by 12 is 25 rials. One thing I wonder about is if a teacher leaves in his first year before the end, then the gratuity is not a benefit by law so what do they do? take back the allowance?

10 rials is clearly not enough. I can't find anything in the law about what a minimum basic salary must be as a percentage of the gross but if you are on a package of at least 1000 rials, then a basic salary of less than 300 is less even than the minimum wage of 325-350 for Omanis and would be easily beaten in mediation with the Manpower ministry.

and why not name the recruiter on this forum? then those new hires can come here with a better picture of what to be clear about before signing.

I think I already know it....starts with C and ends with N. Formerly respectable as I remember 4-5 years ago, maybe more.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CVN-76



Joined: 28 Mar 2014
Posts: 115

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The high turnover in Oman can be attributed to a few (good) reasons:

--The students (the main reason)
--Authoritarian, yet incompetent, administrators
--Entrenched colleagues who view new teachers as threats
--Red tape
--The existence of acceptable alternatives
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pooroldedgar



Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was the first one, for me. The complete meaningless of your work is not something I'd like to get used to. I go back and forth every day about coming back for one more year. Probably not. Even the ones who remain concede this place is a joke. Better a low salary and some professional dignity.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
CANDLES



Joined: 01 Nov 2011
Posts: 453
Location: Wandering aimlessly.....

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it's not that bad!

I was there for a year and found a handful of students who were useless; the majority were fine. What I found disturbing was the attitude of some of the teachers and the directors who were buddy buddies and let things slide with their ineffectual management, cliquesness, gossips and overall 'hot air'.

Yet, I'd rather work in Oman than KSA anytime!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Oman All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Page 3 of 5

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2011 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Road2Spain - TEFL and Spanish with one year student visa
EBC