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Bartholemew



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of four weekers who are planning to do PHDs!!!
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="nomad soul}I suggest you consider getting an MA or EdD/PhD in Educational Technology. It greatly expands your employment opportunities into corporate and government as well as educational environments---any place (including this region) and situation that utilizes technology to facilitate training, teaching and learning.[/quote]

Yep, my MSc in Educational Technology has got me a few plum jobs.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuscatGary wrote:
Yep, my MSc in Educational Technology has got me a few plum jobs.

I'm presently completing a Master of Ed Tech as a complement to my MA in Teaching. I plan to transition out of TEFL in the next couple of years but will stay in education a bit longer.

Why have you stayed in TEFL? Inquiring minds want to know. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
MuscatGary wrote:
Yep, my MSc in Educational Technology has got me a few plum jobs.

I'm presently completing a Master of Ed Tech as a complement to my MA in Teaching. I plan to transition out of TEFL in the next couple of years but will stay in education a bit longer.

Why have you stayed in TEFL? Inquiring minds want to know. Wink


I like to do a bit of both, I think you need to keep the teaching side up to fully understand how to use the new technologies and to give yourself an arena to try them out. My job for the last 3.5 years has been 7 hours pw teaching and the rest training teachers on using technology. Doesn't have to be tefl though, any sort of teaching would do really. For me tefl just lets me travel and the short hours let me write.
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Bartholemew



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
MuscatGary wrote:
Yep, my MSc in Educational Technology has got me a few plum jobs.

I'm presently completing a Master of Ed Tech as a complement to my MA in Teaching. I plan to transition out of TEFL in the next couple of years but will stay in education a bit longer.

Why have you stayed in TEFL? Inquiring minds want to know. Wink


Right so you are leaving TEFL and going into education. Good luck with the change.
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SirAristede



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
I suggest you consider getting an MA or EdD/PhD in Educational Technology. It greatly expands your employment opportunities into nonprofit organizations, corporate, and government, and as well as educational environments---any place (including this region) and situation that utilizes technology to facilitate training, teaching and learning.


This is a great suggestion, nomad soul. I completed my BA in Elem Ed in 2007 and had considered doing a MSc/MA in Educational Technology in 2009, but I wanted to take a break from education and didn't want to do another degree in education at that time. I did a Msc in Human Resources Management and Development (it was a good program and helped me better understand the business side of organizations). I also completed a HR internship and did freelance consulting for about a year or so before hearing the call to return to education. Laughing

I had considered doing a doctorate in educational policy (I'm 28 yo) , but over the past few years I've been incorporating more technology into lesson planing and practice, so perhaps pursuing a MSc/MA in Ed Tech would be beneficial since it's a more practical degree. I had considered getting a Msc/MA in Applied Linguistics/TESOL, but I think the Ed Tech degree would open a different set of doors (besides, I prefer teaching math and tech to English/Reading). I see from your experience and MuscatGary's that such a degree would be helpful, esp. since I'd like to transition out of teaching self-contained (all subjects) elementary ed.

Are there any on-campus programs that you would recommend? I am scheduled to leave this fall to teach in Kuwait but would be interested in taking a hiatus to complete a Master's program after two years or so. I'm a elementary ed/middle school level teacher and would prefer to do on-campus (preferably in a year or 18 months) so that I can keep my options for international schools open (esp. for those in the ME). There are several programs in the UK that have one year programs, but I wonder if completing the program at an American university would be better. Hmm... Thanks. Smile
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartholemew wrote:
Right so you are leaving TEFL and going into education. Good luck with the change.

I'll actually be staying in education a bit and not changing to it. I have an MA in Teaching (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Arts_in_Teaching) in Multidisciplinary Studies and not an MA in TESOL/TEFL. My degree prepared me to teach a specialization at the secondary school level (had I continued on to licensure). I chose to specialize in TEFL.

MuscatGary wrote:
I like to do a bit of both, I think you need to keep the teaching side up to fully understand how to use the new technologies and to give yourself an arena to try them out.

Ditto that, which is why the pairing of my MAT with the MET is ideal. Plus, my ed tech program is a good balance of pedagogy and technology. Not surprising, tasks like writing terminal and enabling objectives come easy to me compared to my MET classmates who are new to education.
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="SirAristede]
Are there any on-campus programs that you would recommend? I am scheduled to leave this fall to teach in Kuwait but would be interested in taking a hiatus to complete a Master's program after two years or so. I'm a elementary ed/middle school level teacher and would prefer to do on-campus (preferably in a year or 18 months) so that I can keep my options for international schools open (esp. for those in the ME). There are several programs in the UK that have one year programs, but I wonder if completing the program at an American university would be better. Hmm... Thanks. Smile[/quote]

I did mine at the Institute for Educational Technology which is part of the Open University in the UK. However I did it as a full-time on-campus scholarship student. Wouldn't recommend it down the p/t, blended learning route, which is the only possibility for non-scholarship students, as it may not be recognized in the ME later. The Institute of Education in London offers a good course but one of the core modules is online. Bristol Uni offers a f/t course which can be completed in one calendar year.

Good luck.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirAristede wrote:
Are there any on-campus programs that you would recommend? I am scheduled to leave this fall to teach in Kuwait but would be interested in taking a hiatus to complete a Master's program after two years or so. I'm a elementary ed/middle school level teacher and would prefer to do on-campus (preferably in a year or 18 months) so that I can keep my options for international schools open (esp. for those in the ME).

I don't have any specific recommendations but really, many US universities offer a graduate ed tech degree. Also, as I previously mentioned, some programs are a balance of pedagogy and technology. However, you'll also find degree programs that are heavy on the technology side. You'll definitely need to check the course descriptions to see what grabs your interest the most in terms of your career goals.

By the way, you might find "What do you look for in a BA or MA degree program?" interesting (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=95138).
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SirAristede



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, MuscatGary and nomad soul. I've been perusing the course descriptions for grad ed tech programs at various universities. I'm definitely more interested in the tech side than the pedagogy since I've already had a lot of pedagogy (including ed tech) from my bachelor's degree (and from fulfilling my K-9 licensure requirements). From what I've read, the Technology Specialist (K-12) entitlement/endorsement would be useful (I'd have to take two more licensure tests and do another practicum), but there is also the Ed.M for Instructional Technology and Media (just one licensure test and no practicum). I'll keep researching schools and programs in the US as well as the UK.

I'd prefer to do the program in one calendar year, so that I would only take off one year from teaching. (I did, however, get my Masters while working, so I guess that would be a possibility too if I was back in the States).
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romermac



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Research + teaching + consulting!

Anyone have specific linguistics programs to recommend?

I will investigate the Ed Tech area. It doesn't trip my trigger right off the bat, but I don't know much about it.
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romermac



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
If you want to move into a university TESOL or linguistics professorial role or into administration in this region, be aware you'd be competing against nationals with similar credentials, plus experience in the region, and obviously, bilingual (Arabic-English) skills..


Indeed .. thank you for this reminder.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

romermac wrote:
Research + teaching + consulting!

Anyone have specific linguistics programs to recommend?

I will investigate the Ed Tech area. It doesn't trip my trigger right off the bat, but I don't know much about it.

Consider a degree program in Curriculum and Instruction---that should fit your three areas of interest and provide flexibility.

Frankly, for universities that offer degree programs you're interested in, it's best to first decide where you want to live (you mentioned Texas and California) and then check out universities in the area.
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