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Bahasa Indonesia Fluency Requirement
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shelly9782



Joined: 14 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:36 am    Post subject: LOSING GOOD TEACHERS Reply with quote

NO BACHLOR DEGREE NO JOB
NO POST-SECONDARY DEGREE - NOT GOOD ENOUGH
NO BAHASA NO JOB.
MUST BE THIS AGE OR NO JOB


WHAT WILL THEY COME UP WITH NEXT?
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Listerine



Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: LOSING GOOD TEACHERS Reply with quote

shelly9782 wrote:
WHAT WILL THEY COME UP WITH NEXT?


Don't give 'em any ideas, lol...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/15/indonesia-slammed-for-using-virginity-tests-on-female-recruits/

Truly the sick man of the Asian ESL industry.
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plumpy nut



Joined: 12 Mar 2011
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 3:37 am    Post subject: Re: LOSING GOOD TEACHERS Reply with quote

shelly9782 wrote:
NO BACHLOR DEGREE NO JOB
NO POST-SECONDARY DEGREE - NOT GOOD ENOUGH
NO BAHASA NO JOB.
MUST BE THIS AGE OR NO JOB


WHAT WILL THEY COME UP WITH NEXT?


Anything that provides the appearance that they have standards and strengthens the idea that the reason for the failure in their education system is foreign teachers that lack credentials. The fact is that it's graft, Indonesian nationalism and Indonesian culture that both promote ignorance and impose religion that is the main reason for the failure in Indonesia including education.

For example they hire teachers and then the teacher has to work another job at the same time as he's supposed to be in school to pay off the graft involved in his hiring. With this kind of stuff we are to believe that the problem lies in foreign English teachers?
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p1randal



Joined: 23 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NO BACHLOR DEGREE NO JOB
NO POST-SECONDARY DEGREE - NOT GOOD ENOUGH
NO BAHASA NO JOB.
MUST BE THIS AGE OR NO JOB

Almost nothing of this is true..

1. Does anyone think a person without a degree should be teaching?

2. The school I work for employs people without a secondary degree. I know of 6-8 schools off hand that employ people without an MA/PHD.

3. The Bahasa Indonesia thing could end up being true but as of now it was just a flare that ended up burning out.

4. The age thing is true and will agree that age is an arbitrary means of determining someone is fit for employment.

I will agree that it seems that expats in general (teachers just being one part of the group) are not exactly wanted at the moment but lets stick to the facts and not be hyperbolic.
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bradleycooper



Joined: 12 Apr 2013
Posts: 310

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, these 'regulations' are so routinely broken and arbitrarily applied that the Education Ministry has only succeeded in creating more uncertainty and even lower standards. The worst of the worst are a whole rash of ''Multi-Language Schools" which have opened all over the Greater Jakarta Region and are now spreading to Makassar, Bandung, Medan etc.

These schools appear to be little more than elaborate scams. They open sales booths selling year long memberships and promising you will be able to study 6,7 or 8 languages at once. Typically English, Mandarin, Korean, Japanese, French and Spanish are offered.

These schools lure gullible customers by saying that you can get a large discount (typically 30-50%) if you pay immediately. People pay up to 12 million rupiah for a one year's membership and then the school never opens or closes after just a few months, leaving thousands of customers out of pocket. It is usual that when the schools close the teaching and auxiliary staff are also owed a considerable sum of back pay. There were over 4000 students who were ripped off when all 3 branches of Global Language Centre closed overnight last month, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

There are several school chains which have collapsed totally such as Speak Easy English, Global Language Centre and Rumah Bahasa. Between them, these 'brands' have opened at least 13 different branches which have promptly gone out of business.

But reporting on this stuff is now like whack-a-mole. There are now several more problem companies who owe staff and teachers large amounts of back pay. These include International Language Center (which has 9 branches and many former Rumah Bahasa staff), Global Bahasa (which has a senior manager with a history of fraudulent conduct) and the ludicrous Splash International, which quite open admits that none of its 'managers' can even speak English, despite claiming to be an English language school. This list is not even exhaustive but just covers the worst examples.

Teachers are strongly advised to work for trusted name brands and to be highly suspicious of language schools that claim to be experts in 6-10 languages at once without even having a curriculum or full functioning website.
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