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chuckMC



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:57 pm    Post subject: What are the income expectations of ESL teachers Reply with quote

Hello again, I am writing to figure out what the going rate is for both qualified and unqualified teachers in Wroclaw. I have heard that its around 3,500zl a month. But here in the small town where I teach, I am making around 4000zl Net. Does the pay differ between big cities and small towns? Also, how many hours a week is advised for someone to do?

Thanks
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:42 am    Post subject: the going rate Reply with quote

There's no going rate per se, especially if we're talking about monthly income. If we're talking about the bare minimum a teacher with a BA + CELTA should work for, I'd say it's 60zl/60 min. in Warsaw, and 50zl/60 min. in other cities. Higher rates are much, much easier to find in Warsaw than other cities.

I'd say a full-time teaching schedule is approx. 24 teaching hours a week. So, in a full month you're looking at 4,800 net. outside of Warsaw. This kind of money is going to be easier to find in larger cities.

I've got no idea what an unqualified teacher should charge: 1 duzy kebab and Tyskie per chat, maybe?
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Louisdf



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: the going rate Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:
There's no going rate per se, especially if we're talking about monthly income. If we're talking about the bare minimum a teacher with a BA + CELTA should work for, I'd say it's 60zl/60 min. in Warsaw, and 50zl/60 min. in other cities. Higher rates are much, much easier to find in Warsaw than other cities.

I'd say a full-time teaching schedule is approx. 24 teaching hours a week. So, in a full month you're looking at 4,800 net. outside of Warsaw. This kind of money is going to be easier to find in larger cities.

I've got no idea what an unqualified teacher should charge: 1 duzy kebab and Tyskie per chat, maybe?


You do realise that to make 60 net, you would need to earn around 75-80ZL gross per hour as tax is 19% and ZUS is 410ZL a month. Of course, in the past when all schools used umozo o dzielo with 10% tax, making 60 net per hour was quite easy. Most schools pay between 60-67 gross per hour for 90 minute classes in the city centre or close to the metro lines. They would pay 75-80ZL gross (or 60 net) only if the class is a specialist course (ie. Aviation English) or in zone 2 of the transport system.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: What are the income expectations of ESL teachers Reply with quote

chuckMC wrote:
Hello again, I am writing to figure out what the going rate is for both qualified and unqualified teachers in Wroclaw. I have heard that its around 3,500zl a month. But here in the small town where I teach, I am making around 4000zl Net. Does the pay differ between big cities and small towns? Also, how many hours a week is advised for someone to do?

Thanks
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You're hilarious! Let's put it this way: if you work full time ESL anywhere in the world except for the oil-rich ME nations or Japan (but don't actually buy anything in Japan besides instant noodles and water) - that full-time job and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee.

Do it for the love of it, or don't do it at all, my friend!

P.S. Never been to Poland, but I know that the Poles are the salt of the Earth. Lovely people!
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: the going rate Reply with quote

Louisdf wrote:
You do realise that to make 60 net, you would need to earn around 75-80ZL gross per hour as tax is 19% and ZUS is 410ZL a month. Of course, in the past when all schools used umozo o dzielo with 10% tax, making 60 net per hour was quite easy. Most schools pay between 60-67 gross per hour for 90 minute classes in the city centre or close to the metro lines. They would pay 75-80ZL gross (or 60 net) only if the class is a specialist course (ie. Aviation English) or in zone 2 of the transport system.
Thanks for the update, Louisdf. The last time I taught under a contract in Warsaw was during the umowa o dzieƂo 'golden age'. Very Happy The last few years I was teaching as a one-man company, so I only dealt with gross pay.

Water rat, don't lump the ME and Japan together! The glory days of earning bank in Japan are long past. On Dave's Japan forum, the latest post is about a job which pays 5,560zl/mo. (equivalent base pay) in a suburb of Tokyo. Even a frugal person would be able save little, if anything, on that. Believe me, I live in Tokyo.
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 4:11 pm    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

Salt of the earth water rat? You obviously know 'em from the pub and don't do business with them. The only country in the world where you can get a promotion and a pay cut at the same time.
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sparks



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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis, just to help you out...

60-67 zl gross for 90 min. in Warsaw is way too low. 90 zl. for 90 min gross is the place to start. You should be looking to go UP from there. If you're smart and have contact directly with companies (look for banks, IT companies, doctors, lawyers) you can get well over 100 zl gross/60 min. I'm still here, have been and will be Smile
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Louisdf



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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
Louis, just to help you out...

60-67 zl gross for 90 min. in Warsaw is way too low. 90 zl. for 90 min gross is the place to start. You should be looking to go UP from there. If you're smart and have contact directly with companies (look for banks, IT companies, doctors, lawyers) you can get well over 100 zl gross/60 min. I'm still here, have been and will be Smile

Yes I said 60-67zl an hour, 60zl for 90 is far too low even for most Polish teachers.
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depechemodefan1966



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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting points here, Guys.

4,000 zl a month net, for a 25-hour week, would have to be the bare minimum for me to go back to Poland now, and that's after my medical insurance has also been taken out. Also, with all holiday pay too.
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 12:37 am    Post subject: ummm Reply with quote

I think teaching in Poland is an absolute mug's game unless it's just a couple of years of fun.

All this self-employed stuff and schools who should be offering 1 kind of contract but actually provide another, arsing about all over town, doing split shifts and having to double check the right tax is being paid etc. What a chore!

If Polish girls were ugly, none of the guys who regularly post on this board would be there. Kropka.

The number 1 reason why people put up with zapiakanka, endless blocks of flats, rude people, dodgy employers and contracts, the snow, the high cost of living relative to pay, the gofry, badly made new flats, the nutjob temperamental women, is because the women look good. Yes there's history (yawn) yadda yadda but men stay, women don't. Speaks volumes. Beer is also cheap.

So there are 2 excellent reasons for being there, but when life gets real.....
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chuckMC



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys, i'm back. Last night I had a good time at the pub/club. I got a hangover now.:p But I must admit that I'm getting a little bored of partying and partying each weekend. Financially, I am doing great for an English teacher. Bringing in 4000 net in a small town allows me to save a bit. But i don't know about you guys, but i always feel poor in Poland. I feel that the zloty has very little value internationally, thus the prices of clothes and electronics are expensive as heck. I make good polish money, but i'm still poor.:/ I'm 25 years old. I will teach one more year and it will be in Wroclaw. But after that I will probably head back to the 'good ole' US of A. I was thinking about going to the Middle East, but I figured that long term its better to grow roots in the BEST country in the world...USA! Smile
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 2:08 pm    Post subject: very wise Reply with quote

Very wise indeed.
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sparks



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were looking to be successful in the 19th century England was the place to be. If you were looking to be successful in the 20th America was the place to be, for the 21st, China.
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Rusty77



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 6:14 pm    Post subject: earnings Reply with quote

Yeah, saving up money here on 4-grand PLN per month is tough if you live in a big city and pay half of that in rent. One reason why, if you're a young lad in your 20s or whatever and are just here for some fun, you should stay for only a year or two. But if you stay beyond that, and you play your cards right and become a good teacher, you can build up a clientele that makes it slightly profitable (yeah, only slightly profitable, true Surprised, but still, it's do-able ). Having an M.A., and a CELTA will help. I have two colleagues, both middle aged, educated English teachers and ex-pats like myself, who both own flats in Warsaw and have a reasonably good quality of life. Getting some editing and / or writing jobs on the side adds to this profit. Of course, "MC": giving up the partying and women helps in this respect. You have to be willing to work your ass off and penny-pinch at times. Plus, it takes time. But is that any different in the U.K., USA, or Canada?
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 7:26 pm    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

Or you can come to the Gulf and make 30k a month. Done both. Know which 1 I prefer.
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