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candykisk



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 2:11 pm    Post subject: Do you think I could do this? Reply with quote

I interviewed at Westgate and I think that I will receive an offer. The pay is only 2,750,000 yen/year, so of course I would seek another position after working there because I have heavy student loan debt.

Do you think while I'm out there, I could apply for university positions beginning in April 2016 (e.g., from JACET). And if hired at one of those institutions then I would make a real salary in the 5 million yen area. Does this seem far-fetched or something that could actually happen? Basically, I go to Westgate to get my foot in the door, then apply for real teaching positions afterwards.
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Yokaides



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand the premise of these questions, ''Can I...'' fly to the moon, ''Can I...'' become a janitor, ''Can I...'' work a lowly job with a dispatch company. All of these questions depend on you as a person.

I've always wanted to marry Claudia Schiffer, but I haven't made any progress on that, mostly because I haven't even pursued it seriously.

If you want something, you have to work towards it.

University jobs need at least 3 publications, it doesn't matter if you have a 4-year degree, masters, or PhD.

Unless you want to work as a proctor, they will give you that experience for free.
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currentaffairs



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Westgate contracts are only for three months. The work visa is for a year. This allows you time to make contacts and find work during that first year. It is a good way into Japan..

As for salary, I worked in language schools for a year after Westgate and got into the university work year by year. In my second year, I had two days of university work. After the third year, I had a full teaching load working at three universities as a part-time lecturer. My salary was just under 5 million yen a year.

Typically, you need a MA in TESOL, three publications, some luck, and 3-4 years of teaching experience at a university to nab a full-time job.
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candykisk



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yokaides and currentaffairs, could you elaborate on publications? What are your publications, currentaffairs?

What languages schools did you work at?
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think I could do this? Reply with quote

candykisk wrote:
I interviewed at Westgate and I think that I will receive an offer. The pay is only 2,750,000 yen/year, so of course I would seek another position after working there because I have heavy student loan debt.

Do you think while I'm out there, I could apply for university positions beginning in April 2016 (e.g., from JACET). And if hired at one of those institutions then I would make a real salary in the 5 million yen area. Does this seem far-fetched or something that could actually happen? Basically, I go to Westgate to get my foot in the door, then apply for real teaching positions afterwards.



To me, sincerely with only a BA and MA in TESOL this sounds far fetched, sorry. There are people here in Japan for a long time with similar qualifications who I'd imagine are probably only getting 300,000Y a month.

As others mention you need publications; i.e. for your thesis to be published in a journal. It's not going to take 5 minutes to knock up 2 or 3 publications, lol. I got a distinction grade in my MA thesis on Chinese learners of English, but I doubt it's going to be published! So, I guess to be getting published you need have a really really strong MA thesis written (or any kind of article), or to be doing a PhD in some particular field where you're writing something quite specific and specialised.

Also, AFAIK you'd need to speak reasonable Japanese for good uni jobs. I'm not sure if you mentioned your level (if any).

I think if you have a heavy student loan debt, maybe Japan isn't the best country to try to pay that off. You could probably save a lot more if you tried China or Korea.
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currentaffairs



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Publications means peer reviewed articles in journals. JALT has two very well known journals:

http://jalt-publications.org/

Some universities also offer in-house opportunities for getting articles published, but often they are limited to full-timers.

I worked at a local language school in Saitama and at Linguaphone Academy in my first year.
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candykisk



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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, thanks y'all. This all really helps. Most of the time publications come with an PhD degree, but I have seen some positions hiring and they only ask for teaching experience and an MA.
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Yokaides



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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candykisk wrote:
Okay, thanks y'all. This all really helps. Most of the time publications come with an PhD degree, but I have seen some positions hiring and they only ask for teaching experience and an MA.


If you were lucky enough to have stumbled upon this forum while you were still in college, you could have talked to a few professors here and there to help you get your name on some peer-reviewed articles/publications. Not many of us knew we were going to Japan when completing our degrees.

Yeah, you should apply to those positions, you may even be successful.
They are looking for young (22-35), good-looking, and humble people.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all, most of the journals on JALT are poorly written pieces written for purpose of ticking a box on your CV.
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currentaffairs



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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:
Not at all, most of the journals on JALT are poorly written pieces written for purpose of ticking a box on your CV.


Yeah, the quality may be suspect at times but a JALT article would still qualify as a publication. Of course, better jobs might want more prestigious publications!
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kpjf



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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:
Not at all, most of the journals on JALT are poorly written pieces written for purpose of ticking a box on your CV.


I guess all JALT articles are related to the Japanese context? Maybe an obvious question with obvious answer!

I thought once maybe I could try to get my work published on a crappy journal, but then thought it was a stupid idea even trying it with all the flaws in it.
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candykisk



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, thanks everyone. This is all very helpful. I will take everything you guys are saying into consideration! But you're right about how Japan is probably not the best place to get loans paid off... it's surprising because it's such an advanced country. Also, it seems many teachers work two or more jobs there which I also find unbelievable. That two and three jobs thing I thought was just an American thing, but it's an Asian thing, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The yen is at a 12 year low.
In the past I did pay off my loans, but with the yen at 124 or falling, it gets tough.
I can make more in the US as a teacher than here.

Back in 1998, when it was over 140 to the dollar, teachers took on second jobs.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candykisk wrote:
But you're right about how Japan is probably not the best place to get loans paid off... it's surprising because it's such an advanced country.

Not sure why it being 'advanced' would make it a place to make lots of money.

If you can get a job as a university lecturer/professor, the salary is usually still quite good (much better than a comparable job in, say, the US).

At the lower end of the Japan EFL spectrum, wages have been driven down by competition. There seem to be a lot of people out there who are very 'into' Japan, and will do whatever it takes to get there, even if that means taking a very, very low wage. So, no matter how low of a salary employers offer, there are still quite a few people who will take it.

Japan is also not a cheap place to live. Japanese cities usually occupy a few places in every list of 'most expensive cities in the world'. Outside of those places it's not so bad, but definitely not cheap.

So, while positions that require more experience and qualifications do pay well, many of the entry-level positions do not.

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Also, it seems many teachers work two or more jobs there which I also find unbelievable. That two and three jobs thing I thought was just an American thing, but it's an Asian thing, too.

I've only heard of this in Japan in terms of having multiple part-time jobs that, together, amount to a full-time schedule. This also typically happens more if someone has a 'self-sponsored' visa or a spouse visa. To get a work visa of most other types requires a full-time job, and most full-time employers stipulate in the contract that employees not work elsewhere. Of course, some people teach private lessons on the side, but that happens most places in the world.

A big difference in why this works better in Japan than the US is because health insurance isn't tied so much to your employer, and the amount you pay for your insurance is based on your total income.
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RM1983



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Do you think I could do this? Reply with quote

candykisk wrote:
I interviewed at Westgate and I think that I will receive an offer. The pay is only 2,750,000 yen/year, so of course I would seek another position after working there because I have heavy student loan debt.

Do you think while I'm out there, I could apply for university positions beginning in April 2016 (e.g., from JACET). And if hired at one of those institutions then I would make a real salary in the 5 million yen area. Does this seem far-fetched or something that could actually happen? Basically, I go to Westgate to get my foot in the door, then apply for real teaching positions afterwards.


Westgate wouldnt really be university experience I think.

Also the publications thing seems a common meme, although Ive been invited to apply to 2 universities but only have an unrelated Master's and dont have any publications. Im not the expert at all but this might indicate it isnt a hard rule
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