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Yorks Lad
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Sorry, I misunderstood. If you've seen the details of the contract then, as VS and Nomad say, it should be OK. CCQ are a large organisation and not a fly-by-night operation. I thought you hadn't seen any details of the contract.
As an aside, life in the Gulf is different from the West. You'll have to get used to these 'quirks'....but most people do manage. |
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Hemlock32
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Nomad,
My issue is simply to be reassured that what is stated in the proposal will be stated in the contract. I was thinking worse case scenario. Sure, this isn’t good, but it’s necessary.
Yorks,
I saw the proposal and I haven’t seen the contract. However, I’ve found someone who has worked there and hopefully they can - just like you and others have - fill me in on what to expect. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Hemlock32 wrote: |
| Let me ask you this though. What would happen if you get over there with the standard offer letter, you see the contract and it isn't to your liking and you want to reject it, what happens? Are you gonna be on the hook to pay your way back or will they? |
As long as the information provided in the offer letter are met, I would sign and stay. The rest of the contract is usually rather unimportant IMHO.
And if you don't like something and choose to go, it will be on your own dime, of course.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Hemlock32 wrote: |
| My issue is simply to be reassured that what is stated in the proposal will be stated in the contract. I was thinking worse case scenario. Sure, this isn’t good, but it’s necessary. |
Chillax. Don't overthink this. A written job offer or preliminary contract for employment is typical for many countries (including the US, which can even be verbal). It states the employer's proposed conditions of employment. For Qatar, you'd be covered per the country's labor law. You are not considered a valid, legal employee until you land in country with a proper visa in hand and both you and CCQ's rep sign the employment agreement.
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| I saw the proposal and I haven’t seen the contract. However, I’ve found someone who has worked there and hopefully they can - just like you and others have - fill me in on what to expect. |
I suspect your concerns are more about the quality of work/life in Qatar and the Middle East in general. Like VS, I've lived/worked in various countries in the region with my last stint in a war zone. Those expats who do best in the Mid East have an open mind, low (i.e., realistic) expectations, a lot of patience, and a sense of humor.
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Hemlock32
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Nomad,
I'm starting to cool off now. I spoke with someone who used to work over there, and she said it was the best job she ever had.
Now, I'm working on my diplomas...To authenticate them it's gonna run me over a grand, maybe two. 
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nomad soul
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CCQ has told me this verbatim: "All Education degrees should be authenticated by your University, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Embassy of Qatar in the country that issued the degrees. Then, in Qatar, you will need to attest them from the Ministry of Foreign affairs in Qatar."
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Now, I'm working on my diplomas...To authenticate them it's gonna run me over a grand, maybe two. |
Those costs are high. In fact, usually only your highest relevant degree needs to be authenticated. That would be the degree that meets the requirement per the job ad (e.g., an MA TESOL). Check with that former CCQ teacher and your HR contact to confirm if "education degrees" refers to education-related degrees or to all of your university degrees. Always ask for clarification. |
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Hemlock32
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Now, I'm working on my diplomas...To authenticate them it's gonna run me over a grand, maybe two. [/quote]
Those costs are high. In fact, usually only your highest relevant degree needs to be authenticated. That would be the degree that meets the requirement per the job ad (e.g., an MA TESOL). Check with that former CCQ teacher and your HR contact to confirm if "education degrees" refers to education-related degrees or to all of your university degrees. Always ask for clarification.[/quote]
I am using this website:
http://www.washingtondcapostille.com/qatar-legalization/
I talked to someone on the phone today and they sent me back a quote of how much it'll all cost. I haven't had time to look at other companies, but right now im just getting things notarized and waiting for the background check.
Question: Before your start date in Saudi, when did the employer notify you of the flight itinerary/date? I'm supposed to start on the 26th of August and I would assume...1 or 2 weeks advance notice? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Question: Before your start date in Saudi, when did the employer notify you of the flight itinerary/date? I'm supposed to start on the 26th of August and I would assume...1 or 2 weeks advance notice? |
KSA has a very different visa process. Plus, the Saudi government's administrative office in Washington DC processed my degree authentication and visa app for me. They also scheduled my flight once I had my visa in hand. I got to choose the flight and departure date and was on the plane a couple of days after receiving my visa.
That said... I also got a jump on the visa process by getting my diploma paperwork together and criminal background report requested prior to my interview in anticipation of receiving an offer. Doing the lengthier visa requirements upfront helped me avoid using expediters.
When you submit your passport and documentation for your visa, email your CCQ HR contact person. Send another message as soon as you have your visa in hand so that they can arrange your flight. Ideally, you'll want to get to Doha days before 8/26 in order to adjust to jet lag, the humidity and 100+ degree heat, get your bearings, and settle in. (Probably landing during Eid al-Adha.) Keep in mind others new to Qatar and CCQ will be arriving as well, so you won't be the only person dealing with culture shock. 
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Yorks Lad
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Hemlock,
Qataris are masters at not confirming the departure date and then saying, "Can you come tomorrow?"
If they need you for the beginning of September (or end of August), then just prepare for that date. Keep checking but don't expect a definite date until late in the day.
By the way - you're ahead of me. My company wants me to start at the end of August - and I still haven't got details of the contract yet. (Though I have heard from a third party that I've been appointed).
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Hemlock32
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Does anyone know what would happen if you didn't get all your ducks in a row before your potential start date? I´m pretty sure I´m moving smoothly now, but just in case.
Maybe you could still fly and have your documents sent first class to the country? Get them by the end of that week...
Just thinking of options...
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Hemlock32
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| Yorks Lad wrote: |
Hemlock,
Qataris are masters at not confirming the departure date and then saying, "Can you come tomorrow?"
If they need you for the beginning of September (or end of August), then just prepare for that date. Keep checking but don't expect a definite date until late in the day.
By the way - you're ahead of me. My company wants me to start at the end of August - and I still haven't got details of the contract yet. (Though I have heard from a third party that I've been appointed).
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Where are you going to work Yorks? |
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nomad soul
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| Does anyone know what would happen if you didn't get all your ducks in a row before your potential start date? |
That's a question to pose to your CCQ HR person. The college may or may not be flexible in regard to start date.
Your job offer was nearly 20 days ago. Unfortunately, you lost valuable time asking forum readers about cultural stuff, housing quality, etc., and pushing HR about getting a contract. The requirements for work visas in the Gulf are stringent and some processes can be lengthy. Procrastination can be costly for job candidates who don't jump on day one to get things ready for their visa application.
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| Maybe you could still fly and have your documents sent first class to the country? |
Nope. You can't have your documents sent to Qatar after you've arrived. Without those docs, you can't get approved for a work visa in order to enter the country for employment purposes. Plus, your passport, which you'd need in hand to depart the States, would likely be at the consulate's office in the US waiting for a visa to be slapped into it.
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Yorks Lad
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Hemlock,
It's Qatar Finance and Business Academy (QFBA) who are just starting to offer UK degrees this year. I got the job as I'm currently teaching on the same programme in the UK. My name (and picture) is in the module handbook for the new students in Doha but still no sign of the contract. Apparently it's now being checked by their legal department....
Once you get your documents sorted, it's just a question of waiting. It's certainly not unheard of for people to start late because of visa issues etc. I think what's important is to keep HR in the loop so they know where you are with the process (and they don't assume you've just gone somewhere else instead). Good luck!
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Hemlock32
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| Hemlock32 wrote: |
| Does anyone know what would happen if you didn't get all your ducks in a row before your potential start date? |
That's a question to pose to your CCQ HR person. The college may or may not be flexible in regard to start date.
Your job offer was nearly 20 days ago. Unfortunately, you lost valuable time asking forum readers about cultural stuff, housing quality, etc., and pushing HR about getting a contract. The requirements for work visas in the Gulf are stringent and some processes can be lengthy. Procrastination can be costly for job candidates who don't jump on day one to get things ready for their visa application.
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| Maybe you could still fly and have your documents sent first class to the country? |
Nope. You can't have your documents sent to Qatar after you've arrived. Without those docs, you can't get approved for a work visa in order to enter the country for employment purposes. Plus, your passport, which you'd need in hand to depart the States, would likely be at the consulate's office in the US waiting for a visa to be slapped into it.
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Nomad,
I got all my ducks in a row. I was just asking. I’m ahead of the game with a notarized copy of my MA and background check in hand. You sound a bit condescending but thats fine. Do you get paid to respond to these or do you just do it for fun? |
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Hemlock32
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Yorks Lad wrote: |
Hemlock,
It's Qatar Finance and Business Academy (QFBA) who are just starting to offer UK degrees this year. I got the job as I'm currently teaching on the same programme in the UK. My name (and picture) is in the module handbook for the new students in Doha but still no sign of the contract. Apparently it's now being checked by their legal department....
Once you get your documents sorted, it's just a question of waiting. It's certainly not unheard of for people to start late because of visa issues etc. I think what's important is to keep HR in the loop so they know where you are with the process (and they don't assume you've just gone somewhere else instead). Good luck!
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Yorks,
I’ll see you in the gulf! I’m bringing my sun block! SPF 100! |
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