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Chroniclesoffreedom



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well missiles are part of conventional warfare. I read that Taiwan has some long range missiles aiming at cities deep in China. Conventional missiles that is. But the quantity is still low. As well as some defensive ahort range ballistic missiles for anti invasion missions and such.

With the new S400 system China got from Russia, who knows if Taiwan can even use their missiles now. But if Taiwan can at least do damage to China in the process and at least hurt them somewhat before Taiwan is fully occupied, at least that's better than nothing.

Either way, one thing Beijing will never be able to get is this. The hearts, minds, and overall loyalty of the Taiwanese people. The Taiwan society will always be how they are in terms of their resentment towards CCP. Regardless of whether Taiwan is a country or not. Beijing will never have the hearts of the Taiwanese.
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romanworld



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
Regardless of whether Taiwan is a country or not. Beijing will never have the hearts of the Taiwanese.


But many in Taiwan, particularly in the north, are caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to loyalty. Ma Ying-jeou, the current president of Taiwan, is a case in point. His parents were born in Hunan Province and had Hakka ancestry. Ma was born in Hong Kong while his parents were escaping the Civil War. China if you like is in the DNA of Ma Jing-jeou but through a strange twist of fate he has ended up becoming President of China's adversary. Ma's divided loyalty is one that permeates the politics of Taiwan: On the one hand there is the desire to appease China, but on the other hand there is the need to champion the sovereignty of Taiwan. This is why Taiwanese politics tends to be so polarised. President Ma is 65 now and represents that old guard. The new generation of Taiwanese is more patriotic and that has been displayed recently in the DDP victory at the polls. The worry now of course is that the DDP will attempt to steer Taiwan towards independence, which will trigger a reaction from Beijing. With the moderating influence of old guard politicians fast disappearing and the rise of the new provocative politics of young DPP visionaries it would seem that Taiwan and China are on a collision course that can only end in a Chinese invasion.

Beijing responded sternly to Tsai's election, with China's Taiwan Affairs Office warning that the Chinese government would "resolutely oppose any form of secessionist activities seeking 'Taiwan independence'".

In a strongly-worded editorial, Chinese state news agency Xinhua said the DPP's return to power "poses grave challenges to cross-Strait relations" and had "aroused concerns" about Taipei's relationship with Beijing.


http://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-goes-polls-historic-presidential-vote-211109665.html
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Chroniclesoffreedom



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many people votes ma because,they thought he'd keep the constitutional status quo. But he pissed off so many people during his time in office. Those loyal to him were not loyal to the ccp. In terms of DNA, a human is a human. Some of their blood types match ours. Like if you need a blood donor, your donor can be of any skin color as long as your blood type matches his or hers. But in any case, the fact that many Taiwanese are now patriotic against china to the point where dpp won more than 60% legislature, well that's China's own fault.

Regardless of how you look at things, when you try to force your will onto someone and you don't respect their free will, all that does is make the person on the receiving end more hateful and resentful towards you. Most Taiwanese will always,resend the CCP itself. Regardless of whether Taiwan becomes a SAR or not.

Like I said before. If you look at www.quitccp.org and keep track everyday of the number of those quitting the ccp every 24 hours, believe me when I twll you this. CCP is going to have way bigger problems on their hands.

The CCP even made clear their intentions on the diaoyu islands. But the only time an issue with that even comes up is only when Beijing needs a smokescreen.

What if China had no issues with any countries whatsoever? What if suddenly all territorial disnutes China has were all resolved in Beijing's favor? What if China never had any issues with any country in the world today whatsoever? The CCP would have no more smokescreen to cover up for their own crimes and other domestic issues the CCP is responsible for.

I read about the arab spring. So many Chinese payed attention to what went on in Egypt. And other parts of the middle east. Then the Chinese started getting ideas too. People started protesting, but police intercepted them. They could prevent the protests, but they couldn't prevent them from talking to each other about the whole thing. Then two months later, conveniently enough the Chinese made a big deal about the diaoyu islands and many chinese were protesting against Japan. How convenient. Nothing more than a smokescreen.
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romanworld



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
Nothing more than a smokescreen.


I disagree. The Spratly's are no smokescreen. They are at the forefront of a new Chinese expansionism, driven by 2 things: 1. A quest for the rich resources in the area; and 2. A new found confidence, backed up by a powerful military. China no longer wishes to be pushed around by the Yanks, or the Yanks working through a de facto state like Taiwan.

http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/get-ready-asia-chinas-military-rapidly-catching-america-14147
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Chroniclesoffreedom



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If China gets pushed around by anyone, it's only because China provokes it. If they'd stop bullying Taiwan or doing the other things they do, then they wouldn't have do worry about anything.

CCP is no victim. Read the nine commentaries. Besides the only time diaoyu islands are an issue is only when domestic conflict within China happens.

China faces no threat. Ccp is the threat. China's people need to feel threatned by something. It's the only way they will feel a sense and need for social unity.

If you support china's claim over Taiwan, why are you in Taiwan? You have only bad things to say about Taiwan. Why don't you go to China?
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romanworld



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
If you support china's claim over Taiwan, why are you in Taiwan? You have only bad things to say about Taiwan. Why don't you go to China?


Please try and keep this discussion objective. I'm not in Taiwan and have no desire to go to China. I'm just stating the facts: Yes, China is a bully, I agree, and it is provocative, but that doesn't hide the fact that it is a great military power today. Taiwan might like to think it can take on China, but it can't. In this instance it's simply a case of MIGHT is right. That's the way it is and that's the way it's always been. China was pushed around by the British years ago, but now it's China that calls the shots and sets the agenda. Britain is the one kowtowing to the mandarins in Beijing. Not saying that China is gonna be a great power forever but for the time being its military might and economic power make it the toughest kid on the block.
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romanworld



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

America has now conscripted India and got them involved in the Spratlys:

China on Thursday responded to a Reuters report that the U.S. and India are discussing joint naval patrols in the disputed South China Sea, warning that interference from countries outside the region threatens peace and stability.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-china-idUSKCN0VK0WQ

And North Korea seems to be on edge too:

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un had his military chief executed for corruption and other charges, a South Korean official said Thursday.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/kim-jong-un-said-to-execute-north-korean-military-chief/

Kim Jong un is psychopathic and has no empathy even towards those closest to him. Do you really think he'd have a problem releasing a nuke upon those far far away?
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romanworld



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China has deployed surface-to-air missiles on a disputed island in the South China Sea, Taiwan says.
Satellite images taken on 14 February appear to show two batteries of eight missile launchers and a radar system on Woody or Yongxing Island in the Paracels.
The presence of missiles would significantly increase tensions in the acrimonious South China Sea dispute.
China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi said reports were a Western media invention.
But Mr Wang defended "the limited and necessary self-defence facilities" on islands inhabited by Chinese personnel as "consistent with the right for self-preservation and self-protection.... under the international law".
Asked about the reports, US Secretary of State John Kerry attacked China's increased "militarisation" of the contested region, saying it was a "serious concern".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-35592988
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BruceLeeWannaBe



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh the pleasures of arguing with a shadow. Very civil indeed.

Do you continue to argue with an imaginary person once the actual person left the room leaving you by yourself? Wow.
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romanworld



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BruceLeeWannaBe wrote:
Ahh the pleasures of arguing with a shadow. Very civil indeed.

Do you continue to argue with an imaginary person once the actual person left the room leaving you by yourself? Wow.


Maybe he's off having a tea break? But you are right: It is quiet in here considering the fact that war could break out anytime now. You'd expect people to have a little more to say? Either all the native-speaking English teachers have left Taiwan or maybe it's that uneasy quiet before the storm? What's your spin on the imminent war that is itching to break out over the Spratly's?
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killian



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but isn't Taiwan part of the US? give all 20 million US passports. anyone born there after say 1945 has been born on US soil. China ceded it to japan. Japan surrendered it in a treaty China didn't sign, but only the US. until America gives it way Taiwan is an insular territory of the US like Cuba was after the Spanish American war until the US granted it independence.
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siologen



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:35 pm    Post subject: re: interesting thread.. Reply with quote

I wish to take nothing away from this discussion, but I do agree with where you are going in your post killian.

For better or worse, powers have always carved out their zones of influence. For the US, it is the pacific, and central america in the past. Who can forget Chile also, backing a dictator in that country.
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Recent provocations by Taiwan, yak yak, yak


CCP shills = amusing.

Taiwan was, is and will forever be an independant country, free of the BJ Bullies nonsense talk/actions.

And Trump is tending to agree: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38282825

You must be wringing your wumao hands, shill-boi.
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