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ebooktrial0001
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 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:01 pm Post subject: Current Hazard Pay Sites? |
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Hi Everyone,
I am just curious on who is doing a survey on the most lucrative jobs, but also most dangerous.
If I had to guess, there would still be places in Saudi Arabia, Angola, Iraq, and Afghanistan that pay $100K a year to teach ESL related fields.
But, some places like Saudi Arabia are drying up, and Libya is definitely out of it. |
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RedLightning
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| A friend of mine recently accepted a position in Khobar at around 75k(including 12k hazard). |
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bograt
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| The BC still runs their teacher training program in Pyongyang. The pay is only so so, but I don't imagine there's much to spend it on. |
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Jmbf
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| If the pay was good enough would you really go to a dangerous location? And what level of threat / danger would you be willing to accept? |
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ebooktrial0001
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info about North Korea. I can't imagine how many people would work there; but, it's interesting to see extremes.
For the poster that asked my opinion, I feel a lot would be on details.
Some places that have been classified as hazardous "Saudi, Kuwait, etc." really are not that bad.
I was even in Libya, teaching English, and I felt safe.
I think it would depend on the details, whether there was adequate security around, etc. If there was the possibility of getting $100K a year teaching English in a place like Afghanistan, I might do it. Otherwise, I'd be concerned for security. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:47 am Post subject: |
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The type of positions you're thinking of usually get filled with US citizens who tend to have a military background and/or solid teaching/training skills. These are US government subcontracted jobs -- some require security clearance. Additionally, quite a few qualified nationals from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc., teach in their homelands. (Native speakers aren't the only people who can teach English.)
See: Government subcontracted teachers/trainers (I was one myself) in danger zone situations are in a different category due to the nature of the teaching post or project. Requirements for these positions are very specific. The project I worked on in the ME was via the US State Department and required a relevant MA with previous experience in volatile environments given top preference. I didn't go for the danger pay; it was the opportunity to participate in a unique and rewarding education-focused project. |
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ebooktrial0001
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| @Nomad Soul. Out of curiosity, what are these payscales like? |
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bograt
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Jmbf wrote: |
| If the pay was good enough would you really go to a dangerous location? And what level of threat / danger would you be willing to accept? |
No. The most dangerous place I ever worked in was probably southern Italy but the beautiful surroundings more than made up for it. However, most dangerous places are also the kind of places you wouldn't want to live in even if they were safe.
I talked to people who worked in Bogota back in the 90s when there were over ten murders a day. They had severely limited freedom as to what they could do and where they could go. E.g. they were told they should get taxis everywhere but only from specific companies with a code they had to quote etc. They couldn't leave the city at weekends without written permission. One teacher did and got kidnapped. Another got frogmarched to the ATM just before midnight and was forced to take the maximum out twice. It sounded grim. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| ebooktrial0001 wrote: |
| @Nomad Soul. Out of curiosity, what are these payscales like? |
I can't say; I was on contract for a special project. Plus, I personally don't follow salaries, especially for the types of positions you're interested in. Try the Defense Language Institute to see if there are opportunities in your target countries. (The DLI is mentioned in the links I included in my initial post.) |
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ebooktrial0001
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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@Nomad Soul; Specifically, I was more interested just in what pay scales just for the record.
For instance, when I was in Saudi, the rumor was that pay was $100K a year; I think the more modest salary is around $65K (albeit plenty of benefits).
I have also heard of $100K+ salaries in Afghanistan. But, again, those are rumors.
I was just curious what we have actually seen. |
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Jmbf
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ebooktrial0001 wrote: |
@Nomad Soul; Specifically, I was more interested just in what pay scales just for the record.
For instance, when I was in Saudi, the rumor was that pay was $100K a year; I think the more modest salary is around $65K (albeit plenty of benefits).
I have also heard of $100K+ salaries in Afghanistan. But, again, those are rumors.
I was just curious what we have actually seen. |
If these posts had requirements more in line with standard ESL jobs then maybe I could see the attraction. However, if you have to have highly specialist qualifications and experience to secure those jobs then I don't really see how they are better than normal high paying teaching posts. In that case I'd rather focus on developing myself and earn $100K somewhere like the ME or Hong Kong than in some hazardous location where I would have to be concerned about my safety. |
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nomad soul
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| ebooktrial0001 wrote: |
@Nomad Soul; Specifically, I was more interested just in what pay scales just for the record.
For instance, when I was in Saudi, the rumor was that pay was $100K a year; I think the more modest salary is around $65K (albeit plenty of benefits).
I have also heard of $100K+ salaries in Afghanistan. But, again, those are rumors.
I was just curious what we have actually seen. |
Frankly, I'm not sure why you keep mentioning Saudi Arabia; it doesn't fit the definition of experiencing volatile, socio-political unrest or an all-out war. In other words, there's no basis for receiving danger pay in KSA unless the position is for a high-risk, US/UK-paid private or government security contracting role (e.g., embassy security), which is way outside the scope of teaching EFL.
As for salaries in actual war zones, again, I suggest you look at DLI and possibly DoDEA positions in those countries to see what types of pay are being offered based on specific skill sets, education, length of experience, nationality, security clearance, etc. There is no one-size-fits-all salary scheme given differences in physical work environment, teaching/training need, job responsibilities, and qualifications. Read the articles I linked to get a better sense of situations that necessitate danger pay. In my case, gunfire and bombs that shook my windows did. |
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ebooktrial0001
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:34 am Post subject: |
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@Nomad Soul, thanks.
I mention KSA because our US military often lists it as a "hazard pay site" even though I agree that it is not particularly dangerous.
I also was just curious about salaries, etc. I doubt I am qualified or able.
A lot of the forums are simply curiosity. |
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Hod
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:14 pm Post subject: Trojan Horse Alert Trojan Horse Alert Trojan Horse Alert |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| Frankly, I'm not sure why you keep mentioning Saudi Arabia. |
I'm not sure about any of his/her postings. Countless countries asked about in hordes of questions written in wavering clumsy English. No reasons given for wanting this huge amount of advice, and no feedback or advice ever offered in return. Where is this person even based? Who knows 130+ posts on? Something amiss here. moderators.
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| For instance, when I was in Saudi, the rumor was that pay was $100K a year;. |
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I mention KSA because our US military often lists it as a "hazard pay site" even though I agree that it is not particularly dangerous.
I also was just curious about salaries, etc. I doubt I am qualified or able. |
Collecting native English answers for essays, researching for a book or a school owner looking for insight are my guesses, which is why I've never responded before, but call it sixth sense or whatever, something's not right here.
I'm occasionally a little rude here, and recently someone pointed this out (again) but then added something to the effect of "but hod can be helpful". It made me think this forum's not so bad. Like any other walk of life, you'll get people who rub you up the wrong way, but that's fine by me. After reading hundreds of their posts, you know something of their situation and personality, or at the very least in which continent they're based.
But this OP is a mystery. |
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grahamb
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:41 pm Post subject: You don't say! |
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| Hod wrote: |
| I'm occasionally a little rude here |
The master of the understatement strikes again!  |
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