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americanjoe · Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Posts: 42

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:41 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
If you are on a business visa you do not have an employment contract. Ergo you are not an employee.
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Geesh, you really are a pedantic person, aren't you?
If you are going to reply to my posts with that attitude, then please do me a favor and...just don't.
You may think so, but you do not know all work situations in KSA, do you?
1. I do have a contract with my contract company.
2. It is for one year's duration.
3. I have health insurance and was given a card through Bupa which is good throughout the Kingdom.
4. I am supplied housing.
5. I am paid a base salary of $4000 USD a month.
6. I make 150 riyals per hour when I work overtime, and I am presently getting 40 hours per month overtime, which, depending on the month, means I make approx. $5800 total a month, which at my age and with my condo paid off and being debt free, means I save the majority of it and then can travel and do the stringer gigs for Jabeen in berlin but that usually costs me money to be honest, as the travel, hiring a fixer etc consumes more than what the articles brig in but I believe the publications do help me stay employed as they seem to like that kind of thing.
I was just flown to Bahrain where we completed the medical/paperwork portion to actually get the igama now, but several teachers prefer the freedom of a multiple entry business visa.
And since you've been here, visa options have changed I think, as they are several teachers on the new 5 year multiple entry visa, so they just come and go as they please, but I think i was told it's like $1000 USD.
And about the Direct Hire ery over working on a Business visa --- I've had three direct hire uni contracts and now it's 2 business visas. It's true, DH is better, but there are drawbacks as well, such as you can't just bail on the contract like a guy is doing here and going to a $6500 a month job as at a high school in qutar, so nothing's sunshine, rainbows and lollypops over here no matter how you cut it. But they are getting better aobu thow they treat you ona business visa than they used to be, and are improving conditions for us where I work.
Sometimes you are paid more, but basically you are in The Suck at some level.
I could go supply more details but choose not to due to who knows who's reading this thing, but where I work at is actually pretty good working conditions and I was given tentative approval on the bedouin article by jabeen so that's keeping me busy visiting the bedouin camps on my days' off with a bedu guy I hired but i'm also using students to develop contacts as they are bedu as well and want to help out their teacher. So, for me, tis place is actually all right.

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americanjoe · Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Posts: 42

Well, I'm not going to go into too many more details, as there appear to be some odd people who are responding here, but my working conditions are pretty good, I'm paid well and I am treated fairly.
And remember, there are what are known as "DHS" (Direct Hire Snobs) but as someone who's worked as both a DH and on a BV, each have pluses and minuses.
And my employer is figuring out solutions to problems as they arrive, so if you are given the opportunity to work here on a BV, do not let people who have never worked on both a BV and as a DH (as I have) discourage you, as you may be passing up a good opportunity on the advice of people who do not know as much as they appear to and who may not have been here for many years or at least haven't been here for the past two years, as things have changed a bit since I worked here in 2009-2010.

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waltgomez · Joined: 03 Jul 2014 Posts: 105

My employer said that the company cannot wire salaries into our US/UK/Can account because of some new law passed in October. What does anybody know about such a law?

I worked on a business visa in March-May of this year and my other company wired money into our accounts in home countries. Did anything change?

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scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Word on the street is that the contractor who is sending teachers to Hafr is paying some teachers as little as 8000 SAR monthly.

americanjoe · Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Posts: 42

"Word on the street is that the contractor who is sending teachers to Hafr is paying some teachers as little as 8000 SAR monthly."
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By the way you post I think either you have never worked here, have only worked in a few locations or with under 6 different employers or haven't been over here in a few years as things are changing quickly.
I don't know about where/ what you wrote salary-wise but I'm making a lot more than that.
And FYSA KSA is a large country and there are many, many type of contracts offered, not just countrywide but even among employees within the same company.
I have no insight into hafir where you mention but even in the company I work at the indians are making about 1/3 less than the westerners.
Is that the situation where you are talking about?

Please post the name of the company so posters will have an idea who to avoid.

americanjoe · Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Posts: 42

[quote="americanjoe"]"Word on the street is that the contractor who is sending teachers to Hafr is paying some teachers as little as 8000 SAR monthly."
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By the way you post I think either you have never worked here, have only worked in a few locations or with under 6 different employers or haven't been over here in a few years as things are changing quickly.
I don't know about where/ what you wrote salary-wise but I'm making a lot more than that.
And FYSA KSA is a large country and there are many, many type of contracts offered, not just countrywide but even among employees within the same company.
I have no insight into hafir where you mention but even in the company I work at the indians are making about 1/3 less than the westerners.
Is that the situation where you are talking about?
Please post the name of the company so posters will have an idea who to avoid.

And why am I getting the idea that you are a DHS...?

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Joe

In one of your earlier posts you wrote "haven't visited them here in Hafir yet"

I took that to mean you were in Hafir Al Batin. (usually transcribed Hafr Al Batin)

nomad soul · Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world

americanjoe · Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Posts: 42

Scott/ Nomad:

Just out of curiosity, when was your last year of employment in KSA?

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

American

I was there
1970-1972
1990-1991
1996-2002
2003-2011

and still have a network of friends and informants toiling away in-kingdom.

I worked in Tabuk, Jeddah, Riyadh, Dhahran and Hafr Al Batin.

While working in the airline I was responsible for testing airline staff in all 24 of the airports in Kingdom - soi I have been around a bit ! Have you ?