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Lord T



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:40 am    Post subject: First Saudi; now UAE? Reply with quote

The salaries in Saudi are falling fast. Some agents are offering as little as 8,500 riyal a month; direct hires are also having their salary and benefits cut.

I have just read an advert in the jobs section for 'student teachers' to go to UAE and earn the sum of 5,000 dirham a month, plus accommodation.

They want fresh graduates with a recognized TEFL certificate, no experience necessary.

What is going on in UAE?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reread the ad; these aren't positions for experienced teachers. The ad specifically targets pre-service teachers:

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Junior – Student Teacher
• Residency program for the student teachers

Student teachers will report to the regular teachers under the senior teachers. This position is designed for graduates of any EFL- TEFL – TESOL Trinity – CELTA who are starting off in international English teaching career

http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=41989
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Lord T



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul- Yes, I know the advert is not aimed at experienced teachers, but I have never seen this sort of trainee-teacher position advertised for UAE.

Usually, it's the countries that can't afford to pay salaries that would attract experienced, well-qualified teachers that offer the 'no experience necessary' jobs.
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

The Gulf money days are in their twilight. Turn the lights out when you leave. This is my last gig and then I'm done.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord T wrote:
nomad soul- Yes, I know the advert is not aimed at experienced teachers, but I have never seen this sort of trainee-teacher position advertised for UAE.

There's a first for everything.

and Lord T wrote:
Usually, it's the countries that can't afford to pay salaries that would attract experienced, well-qualified teachers that offer the 'no experience necessary' jobs.

But this isn't the usual TEFL situation. From your perspective, you saw a UAE posting offering low pay to inexperienced teachers and assumed the employer was being cheap. However, to me, it's obviously a teacher training/apprenticeship program for newbies that includes a stipend. You focused mainly on the money, while I saw a paid training opportunity.

BTW, the Saudi uni I taught at had a teacher-training component via their teacher education program. I was assigned two trainees to mentor during their teaching practice. That experience helped me land my next position as a trainer and consultant on a unique US State Dept project elsewhere in the Mid East.
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Lord T



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul-I take on board the points you make, but I still think they are just being cheap: look who's doing the recruiting.
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leggeymountbatten



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would certainly echo Lord T's concern in this matter.

The nose diving economy in the Gulf is pushing employers to look for cheaper and cheaper solutions.

I have never seen adverts for teachers with no experience. This is another worrying development, in my view.

The concern here is with the Gulf economies now introducing indirect, as well as direct taxes, the good days appear to be on the wane.

Employers in the west usually respond to these circumstances by deskilling their workforce. My guess is that the same may well be happening in the Gulf. After all, economics are economics wherever you are. The same dynamics are now starting to apply in the Gulf.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for the ME region on this, but it's pretty common for European universities to take on interns fresh from relevant BA or MA programs at lower pay rates for a specified period of time (usually an academic year). It can be a good way to get on-the-job experience and the interns usually benefit from developing professional connections as well.

If they were replacing qualified and experienced instructors with interns, that would be dodgy, but hiring interns to supplement a program seems genuine enough
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bograt



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm inclined to agree with Lord T here. There's no mention of training or what the students are expecting. I assume the students who have paid the usual fee are expecting decent teachers, not trainees. A grand (UK) plus accommodation would be OK for Europe but I can't see anyone wanting to live in the ME for that money. Hence the slightly deceptive terminology about it being a junior teacher position.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is totally about cutting costs... this is something that never would have even been considered more than a couple years ago. (unless it was for new Emirati graduates)

VS
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Gulezar



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:02 am    Post subject: Cost Cutting Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
It is totally about cutting costs... this is something that never would have even been considered more than a couple years ago. (unless it was for new Emirati graduates) VS


There are now plenty of young Emiratis, as well as Arabs who have grown up in the UAE. There are now university recruitment programs to get the best and brightest through a BA and then set them up as TAs, interns or high school teachers. Hiring a fresh female graduate who is on a parental visa to teach a Prep STEM class certainly does save money for a university.

On a positive note, those of us who have been in the region can say, "Yes, we've helped the UAE get to the point that they now can start hiring their own home-grown talent."
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robinbanks



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you mean home (groan)talent?
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Tazz



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living in Dubai on 5000 a month...... Laughing
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Gulezar



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:07 am    Post subject: Fresh graduate Reply with quote

Tazz wrote:
Living in Dubai on 5000 a month...... Laughing


That's all right for a fresh female Arab graduate living under Daddy's sponsorship with a home, insurance and a ride to the job. The region's political instability also lends itself to a bumper crop of long-term resident with no home to return to. Some families are bringing up their third generation of loyal Emirati residents.
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rustyrockets



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I just saw an ad offering 1300 usd per month plus accomodation to work in the UAE, here is the link: http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=42109 as far as I know that's less than 5000 AED, on the other hand the email in the post seems to be fake so that's that...
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