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Marinx



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:59 am    Post subject: And so it Begins. Reply with quote

I just thought I'd start a thread from the beginning of my journey. I'll shamelessly bump it up with new info as I go along.

I started my TESOL course mid September. At first I was pretty overwhelmed by the vocabulary, all these terms I hadn't heard or used in decades! I'm over it now though.

There's a lot to commit to memory in order to explain to a student, but at least it all makes sense and practice practice practice will make it all stick. I have two months to finish the grammar section, so I'll take my time and do my best.

I find the course material and videos links they have pretty boring, so I've been studying using the resources from Khan Academy more than anywhere else. Great resource.

I have a better understanding of why online courses are somewhat frowned upon, since anyone could blow through these courses and get their certificate and not really know anything. It does make me wonder how those people get hired after giving what I imagine would be a terrible interview.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: And so it Begins. Reply with quote

Marinx wrote:
It does make me wonder how those people get hired after giving what I imagine would be a terrible interview.


Outside of North America or the UK you will find that the requirements to land a job as an EFL teacher are usually simply the matter of a white face, and meet the requirements for a visa (correct passport, usually a degree and a police clearance).

Beyond being able to get a visa the job requirements are NOT usually any legitimate criteria that you would expect at home (like a basic knowledge of methodology, knowledge of subject matter or competence as a teacher).

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Marinx



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: And so it Begins. Reply with quote

suphanburi wrote:
Outside of North America or the UK you will find that the requirements to land a job as an EFL teacher are usually simply the matter of a white face, and meet the requirements for a visa (correct passport, usually a degree and a police clearance).

Beyond being able to get a visa the job requirements are NOT usually any legitimate criteria that you would expect at home (like a basic knowledge of methodology, knowledge of subject matter or competence as a teacher)


In regards to the documentation, I will be able to get all that without any issues.

From what you said about the job requirements, I'm hoping "better" schools have higher standards therefore will pay more. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Outside of North America or the UK you will find that the requirements to land a job as an EFL teacher are usually simply the matter of a white face, and meet the requirements for a visa (correct passport, usually a degree and a police clearance).

Beyond being able to get a visa the job requirements are NOT usually any legitimate criteria that you would expect at home (like a basic knowledge of methodology, knowledge of subject matter or competence as a teacher).


A white face and ability to get a visa are not the sum total of requirements on the European continent, by the way. There is less focus here on skin color (or age), and a CELTA or equivalent on-site cert is usually considered the entry-level basic requirement. Along with a passport that allows one to work in the region, obviously.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: And so it Begins. Reply with quote

Marinx wrote:
In regards to the documentation, I will be able to get all that without any issues.

From what you said about the job requirements, I'm hoping "better" schools have higher standards therefore will pay more. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.


In EFL (as compared to fully accredited international schools (IB, CIE, CfBT, etc) ... better schools may have better standards (but not in hiring practices - visa requirements are the job requirements) and are unlikely to offer better pay unless you are a home country certified school teacher with a B.Ed / Post grad teaching diploma.

spiral78 wrote:
A white face and ability to get a visa are not the sum total of requirements on the European continent, by the way. There is less focus here on skin color (or age), and a CELTA or equivalent on-site cert is usually considered the entry-level basic requirement. Along with a passport that allows one to work in the region, obviously.


The European continent is different for standards but for most north Americans it is also a largely, with a few exceptions, a closed market to your average EFL teacher due to visa issues.

The OP, as a Canadian, will largely be limited to either being an undocumented teacher in Central/South America or dealing with Asia or Eastern Europe.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The European continent is different for standards but for most north Americans it is also a largely, with a few exceptions, a closed market to your average EFL teacher due to visa issues.

The OP, as a Canadian, will largely be limited to either being an undocumented teacher in Central/South America or dealing with Asia or Eastern Europe.


I'm not arguing this, only pointing out that the sweeping statement that 'outside of North America or the UK' is inaccurate. Others besides the OP are likely to read the thread, and may be misled. (OP is clearly not eligible to teach in the UK or US either, actually).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the idea that the world is your oyster as an EFL teacher is certainly no longer true. Was it ever ? Large swathes of the planet are NOT open to itinerant teachers of the Anglo Tongue. The Gulf and China remain the biggest markets but conditions are getting worse.
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Marinx



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it still doesn't make sense to me how there can be a better "this" or better "that", and yet have no impact. I suspect you all mean this is only true for China where demand outsrips supply and as long as you have the paperwork you will have a job regardless of your knowledge.

I'll have a TESL Canada Certificate before I leave Canada. I would obviously need more training to get anything higher than that, so one step at a time.

I will start out in China. I'll start at the bottom, as I have no prior teaching experience. Once I have a couple years experience in China I can expand my horizons.

My ultimate goal is to get some real life experience and begin teaching online so a couple years from now I can take my skills and do my job from the location of my choice. Others may want to get their certification and jump online to teach and cut out the whole going abroad part, but that's not what I want.

This is just me taking my life in a new direction, I have no delusions of grandeur. Its all new and exciting for me no matter how old and depressing it may be for others.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marinx, have you been able to find opportunities for teaching practice where you are now? Among the other obvious benefits, experience in the classroom can help you bring focus to your online TEFL program, and make you aware of what you need to work on.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AGoodStory wrote:
Marinx, have you been able to find opportunities for teaching practice where you are now? Among the other obvious benefits, experience in the classroom can help you bring focus to your online TEFL program, and make you aware of what you need to work on.

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Yes, I'll be doing the practicum at my alma mater. There are also many others places I could go to volunteer as we have a large immigrant community. I could do it through OnTesol in country but I prefer getting the experience at home and obtaining the TESL Canada certificate before I start applying.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes life changes your plans for you.

Doing the last part of the course now, Methodology.

Holding off on the practicum until I see what TEFL Canada has to offer in terms of accreditation. It would be a waste of money (but not of the experience) if I never end up with the the TEFL Canada certification. I have a lead on a volunteer opportunity, so at least there's that to gain experience and the person may even be able to satisfy the requirements of the practicum with me for a lower fee.

Very recently learned my current place of employment is shutting its doors in August 2018. So I have the choice of finding a new place to live & new job in my home city, and staying here until Feb 2019 to buy more time for family members to be in a position to take my pets, or I can leave to China for Aug/Sept 2018.

Going to have to make a hard decision.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck! The Dave's community will of course help in any way we can if you want to bounce ideas off of us.

I've travelled for 13 years with our schnauzer, and I can certainly sympathize with the pet situation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marinx wrote:

Holding off on the practicum until I see what TEFL Canada has to offer in terms of accreditation. It would be a waste of money (but not of the experience) if I never end up with the the TEFL Canada certification


TESL Canada is no longer offering accreditation in Canada or abroad. It's diminished operations severely (and suddenly), and may not exist soon. The 2018 national conference has been cancelled. Read here for more: https://www.tesl.ca/images/TESL_Canada_-_Message_from_the_President_-_November_7_2017.pdf

It seems that accreditation will now come from provincial TESL organizations, not national. It all came very sudden and current provincial associations are still in discussions about how they will provide accreditation. You can still follow the list of "accredited" programs here in Canada, but that's a general guide - it won't mean anything anymore to say "TESL Canada accredited".
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Good luck! The Dave's community will of course help in any way we can if you want to bounce ideas off of us. I've travelled for 13 years with our schnauzer, and I can certainly sympathize with the pet situation.


Thanks! You guys are great! Honestly my dog, er...my son's dog, is the primary reason all of this will have taken so long from start to finish.

santi84 wrote:
TESL Canada is no longer offering accreditation in Canada or abroad...

Anything accredited by them is going to remain accredited (unless they dissolve completely), but nothing new will/can be at this time. Maybe that will change.

Believe me, I wouldn't have spent $650CAD on a TESL Canada accredited online course had I known this was coming down the pike. They $19.95 on Groupon....
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marinx wrote:
spiral78 wrote:
Good luck! The Dave's community will of course help in any way we can if you want to bounce ideas off of us. I've travelled for 13 years with our schnauzer, and I can certainly sympathize with the pet situation.


Thanks! You guys are great! Honestly my dog, er...my son's dog, is the primary reason all of this will have taken so long from start to finish.

santi84 wrote:
TESL Canada is no longer offering accreditation in Canada or abroad...

Anything accredited by them is going to remain accredited (unless they dissolve completely), but nothing new will/can be at this time. Maybe that will change.

Believe me, I wouldn't have spent $650CAD on a TESL Canada accredited online course had I known this was coming down the pike. They $19.95 on Groupon....


That's coming very soon. It's a lingering ghost office with a few employees, everyone else lost their jobs. My point is that the organization is not even worth talking about anymore.
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