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[enterthedragon]

[Makkah]

[nomad soul]

[enterthedragon]

That was not my question though. The question was who recruits 30k as a contractor? There are many TEFL positions on work visit visas The SACB is not really too difficult a problem to get around and anyway I am not going to go to Saudi Arabia unless I absolutely had to.

[nomad soul]

[sicklyman]

[enterthedragon]

Thanks but I am sticking with SAES now because I have a UK PGCE/QTS and 2 years international experience/17 years experience altogether as a teacher, and so I can teach my subject as well as ESL. The money is on a par with ARAMCO'S ESL jobs too.

[nomad soul]

[enterthedragon]

I have a graduate diploma not a diploma. This is a bachelors degree as confirmed by my university to the SACB. They cannot argue with this fact. Also you need to be a certified north american teacher. However teachers have said that international schools DO accept teachers from other countries even though the curriculum might be that of another country's. Whether or not SAES only employ American teachers or not IDK. So I can't see what youre trying to say really. You don't know about UK qualifications it seems though. I am qualified for the job and they would accept a GD as a bachelors degree I am sure. If not, I could always just say I have a BA in music instead anyway seeing as there isnt much of a difference.

[hash]

[sicklyman]

@enterthedragon... they ask for "valid North American certification". Do you have that or, if not, why do they think they would consider you?

[enterthedragon]

@sicklyman No I am not American. I have a PGCE/QTS from the UK so I am qualified to teach in UK schools. Like I said, it says they want North Americans but do they hire other qualified teachers from other countries? Or is everyone at SAES an American certified teacher? International schools normally take teachers from the UK/USA/AUS/SA/NZ and not just one particular nationality.

@hash...I thought I had explained. My first degree is my graduate diploma. It was a 4 year full time course and it confers bachelors degree status. I could have done a BA if I had wanted, but I chose the GD course instead as it was more what I wanted. Because it is a degree, I could do the PGCE course to become a qualified teacher in my subject (music). If I wanted to do an MA/MEd, I think I probably could but I have not checked this out. NS has a bee in his bonnet about degrees and thinks he knows what the SACB would say about this and he thinks they wouldn't allow a work visa (he hasn't worked for them though). I guess he also thinks the employer wouldn't accept it too. However, as I am a qualified teacher, there shouldn't be any problem if you got an employer offer for a visa. But IDK! That's why it would be easier to just say I have a BA instead of a GD.

Also, for teaching TEFL in Saudi, I seem to remember you HAVE TO have a degree which matches the job you are going to do. I am confused about this because there are lots of teachers with unmatching BA degrees or non English related degrees I think who manage to get a work visa to teach EFL in Saudi Arabia. Does everyone in Saudi Arabia have an English or English related BA degree then if they teach EFL/ESL?

[hash]

[quote="enterthedragon"]@sicklyman No I am not Amehairerican. I have a PGCE/QTS from the UK so I am qualified to teach in UK schools. Like I said, it says they want North Americans but do they hire other qualified teachers from other countries? Or is everyone at SAES an American certified teacher? International schools normally take teachers from the UK/USA/AUS/SA/NZ and not just one particular nationality.

Now you're getting confused. SAES does NOT say it hires only USA citizen teachers who are certified. It says it will hire ANY teacher from any country so long as the teacher has USA certification. This means the prospective teacher, regardless of his citizenship or nationality, must have a teaching credential in a subject from one of the 50 states in the US. You don't so you are not hireable by SAES even though you are a certified teacher in the UK. That is to say, your UK certification is invalid in the US (and thereby SAES). To teach in the US (from K-12) you would have to enroll in a US course of study leading to certification in a subject in one of the US states.

SAES has this "stringent" requirement, by the way, in order to satisfy and to keep its ACCREDITATION by US accreditation agencies. If it loses its accreditation, its HS diploma becomes nearly worthless (if you want to continue (seamlessly) at the college level in the US).

Other "international" schools may have sterling reputations, but unless they are accredited by a US educational agency, their HS diplomas will have to go through very tough procedures to be accepted by a US college or university for entrance.

Bottom line.....you can't teach in the US (at K-12 level) nor at SAES, not because you're not an American citizen, but because you lack US teaching qualifications. In the same way, I can't teach in the UK even though I'm a qualified K-12 teacher in the US.....my US qualification is not recognized by the UK. Simple as that.


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[veiledsentiments]

This appears to be the return of our piano playing troll... with his constant argument that his bizarre collection of supposed credentials should happily be shoehorned in by any sensible employer.

I wonder if he has ever actually applied for a job in Saudi.

The only reality is that, of course, his chances of being hired by SAES are exactly -0-

VS

[nomad soul]