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Chris33166



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject: University Salaries Increasing? Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

With the new visa regulations, I've been hearing a lot of talk about universities having to increase salaries to attract enough teachers. I've heard this from 4-5 teachers in the city I'm teaching in (Hangzhou). However, recent job ads don't support what I've heard...

I don't actively follow the job market here (I'm actually pretty satisfied with my job and the pay) but I'm curious and I think discussion about this could be beneficial.

Some of you seem to actively follow the job market in China, and I'm wondering if you've also heard about or seen an increase in university salaries. If I hear anything more concrete, of course I will share.
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rioux



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wages seem stagnant.
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check listings on abroadchina.org. It shows job openings throughout China. I just looked a few schools where I taught years ago, and I was surprised to see that ADVERTISED salaries have risen substantially. These schools are not in major metropolitan areas. My personal experience is that most public university salaries haven't risen in five years.

NOTE: This is not an endorsement of referenced website.
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Voyeur



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does seem easier to find advertisements for higher salary jobs.

What that actually means statistically is hard to say.
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would assume that salaries are rising in some universities due to the reduced supply of teachers.

Yet as someone wisely put it in a recent post on another board, "China does not follow natural demand-supply fundamentals". It follows that there are still some employers who still do not get what has been occurring, and/or will never get it.
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Chris33166



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very mixed replies so far... and that is exactly what I have seen, as well. Seems typical is 5000-9000/month, and that doesn't seem changed from a few years ago. However, it is more common to see 10+/month advertised.... it might suggest an increase is the the overall trend.

Perhaps one day (soon?), the universities/employers who continue offering stagnant salaries will have difficulties attracting candidates. I hope that is the case!

Can anyone else weigh in on the current trends?
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Mixal



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you see some 10k offers nowadays, but it's always it's either a tier III city and below or it's "in a big city", while in fact a campus is in the middle of nowhere more than an hour away. The prime example is NUIST in Nanjing. Just two years ago they offered 6-7k, now it's 10k (before tax). They still advertise all the time and I guess the only reason is the remote location.

However, Beijing seems to be an exception. The university salaries over there sound very high on paper.

Another thing to take into consideration is that less and less universities offer fully paid holidays (instead you are offered summer or winter "bonus" which is just a fraction of your monthly salary) and in some cases flight reimbursements went from 10k to 8k or even 6k, so the salary increase is relative. Also, I am seeing more and more university positions with 20 teaching hours compared to the standard 14-16 per week.
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Kalkstein



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only talk about my tier 3 city specifically but 100% they have risen about 20-30% in a few years.

A close friend of my partner who is a recruiter has blatantly told me I can pretty much ask for what I want these days because it's becoming increasingly difficult to find a native with a BA who wants to work here. The job adverts are slowly beginning to reflect this but many recruiters/institutes still try to hire on old advertised salaries... and fail miserably to do so. Replacement times have went from several months to 6-months-1 year.

I know four public universities and exactly what they pay their teachers because I just like to make it my business. I'm not going to say who is who but me and my good friend are among these salaries.

10k no advertisement aquired through a friend.
9k (advertised at 7k)
13.5k (advertised at 12-15k)
10k (advertised at 7-10k)

This might not be the case in other big cities but even still a lot of these universities are struggling to attract decent talent and people who want to stay long term. You can ask for salary raises and it should be possible to another 20% on top of these if you extend your contract.

From what I've seen though this doesn't only apply to university jobs though, the schools here are also having a hard time.
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Chris33166



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a look abroadchina.org and the jobs posted for Zhejiang province suggest no increase in salary...

Thanks for posting salaries for the Tier III city!

Now that I've posted, I've become even more curious, so I asked around a bit - here's what I've learned for Hangzhou (tier II city, but soon to be tier I)

7k/month - maxed out; has been at same uni for 6 years - paid 12 months/year

9k/month - been at same uni for 3 years (at least 10 years experience teaching)

13k/month - 2 years teaching experience, first year at this uni; has a MA in English

20k/month - 10 years teaching experience, first year in China, has a MA TESOL

Everyone is paid 10 months/year except for the first one. All over the place, but it seems the MA degree pays. Can't generalize with such a small sample size, though.


I'd like to keep the tally going! I'll likely ask more teachers over time... I also like making it my business to know.
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Ferto



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

27K Paid twelve months a year, plus good health care, a moving allowance, annual travel, and a solid housing allowance.

MA - 20 years experience
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The bear



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ferto wrote:
27K Paid twelve months a year, plus good health care, a moving allowance, annual travel, and a solid housing allowance.

MA - 20 years experience


So good it's worth posting twice!
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coffeespoonman



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, at my university, overall salaries are on the rise although it's getting harder for new hires to reach the higher levels.

Edited to remove salary information. Didn't mean to offend - just trying to answer the question with specifics. [/i]


Last edited by coffeespoonman on Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:22 am; edited 1 time in total
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nimadecaomei



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the question was are salaries increasing. No one asked to post your pay.
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Jmbf



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nimadecaomei wrote:
I believe the question was are salaries increasing. No one asked to post your pay.


No offence but surely the two are linked though? If a poster in a university position decides to post their pay, along with other relevant details, that's a useful data point and relevant to the thread topic. If enough posters in similar positions chip in, especially with notes about their current and past pay, then at least we can start to build up a picture using some relevant data. That in my mind is a bit more useful / solid information than vague "Yes I think uni salaries are on the increase" posts.
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The bear



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmbf wrote:
nimadecaomei wrote:
I believe the question was are salaries increasing. No one asked to post your pay.


No offence but surely the two are linked though? If a poster in a university position decides to post their pay, along with other relevant details, that's a useful data point and relevant to the thread topic. If enough posters in similar positions chip in, especially with notes about their current and past pay, then at least we can start to build up a picture using some relevant data. That in my mind is a bit more useful / solid information than vague "Yes I think uni salaries are on the increase" posts.


But you could be comparing apples and oranges. E.g. MA TESOL, DELTA, 20 years of experience etc. to a fresh graduate who has never taught before. And we're meant to be comparing trends over time, with time being the variable. Other factors influence pay, e.g. teaching hours, additional duties, holiday length, holiday pay, accommodation, utilities, subjects taught, flight allowance etc. etc.

But a bigger problem is that there's not enough people using Dave's to build a representative sample.

Job offers are a better way to assess the situation. There's thousands of them available online to view.
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