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rioux
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| wuliuchiba wrote: |
| The tightened regulations are starting to show a real effect on the market. |
Do you think this trend will continue for some time? |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| rioux wrote: |
| wuliuchiba wrote: |
| The tightened regulations are starting to show a real effect on the market. |
Do you think this trend will continue for some time? |
Probably depends on the location though. Popular areas such as Qingdao would be a different animal. Shanghai is definitely an exception.
Three and four years ago, I rarely seen an FT out where I live (area near many good schools). But in the last couple of years there seems to be more and more FTs moving here. It's amazing the upturn (def no longer the novelty that I was in these parts haha)!
I've spoken to a few Principals in the area who have suggested that there is an abudance of English Teachers over the past few years but it's much more difficult to get good foreign subject teachers (for obvious reasons).
Life is still good for the reliable FT here and I have received a payrise annually tbf so not complaining. And maybe the tightening regulations will have an effect here over time but it doesnt seem to be happening at the minute. |
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cormac
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| wuliuchiba wrote: |
| I'm not a newbie. I have several years' experience in China. |
Sorry I didn't mean to suggest that you were a newbie, or lacking teaching experience.
However, I posted my opinion as regards to starting positions in China. Established teachers with previous experience and personal knowledge of Chinese culture are going to receive higher salary amounts.
Are salaries increasing? Yes, they are. No dispute there. I disagree that salaries for new teachers have increased much and that they'll continue to increase. I do think that salaries for experienced teachers with past knowledge of China will receive greater benefits/salary, and likely those will continue to increase for a while. |
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rioux
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 1:04 am Post subject: |
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I was just offered a position at Lishui University. 14-16 hours for 5,500RMB.
I had to read the amount 3 times just to be sure it didn't really say 15,500, but every time I did it always read 5,500RMB.
I declined the offer. |
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Blistering Zanazilz
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:13 am Post subject: |
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I was just offered a position at Lishui University. 14-16 hours for 5,500RMB.
I had to read the amount 3 times just to be sure it didn't really say 15,500, but every time I did it always read 5,500RMB.
I declined the offer. |
5,500 sounds about right for someone who shows up, throws on a movie for 20 minutes then sends the students out to "translate stuff" around campus. Maybe reconsider?  |
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rioux
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| Blistering Zanazilz wrote: |
| rioux wrote: |
I was just offered a position at Lishui University. 14-16 hours for 5,500RMB.
I had to read the amount 3 times just to be sure it didn't really say 15,500, but every time I did it always read 5,500RMB.
I declined the offer. |
5,500 sounds about right for someone who shows up, throws on a movie for 20 minutes then sends the students out to "translate stuff" around campus. Maybe reconsider? |
I guess it would, but not for me because I have never shown any movies.
I would accept the offer if I didn't have any classes to teach. I mean I'd show up and make an appearance on campus now and then so my white face can be seen. I'd also be a judge for any beauty competitions they may have. I did that once at a college I worked at in the Philippines. There were 3 of us judging and I was put in the center. It was great. |
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LarssonCrew
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 4:55 am Post subject: |
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So they are essentially offering about 90 RMB an hour, maybe a bit less. 60 or so hours a month for 5500, assuming that is after tax.
And they wonder why foreigners do not come in floods to take it? For that pay they would have to literally take anyone. |
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rioux
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| LarssonCrew wrote: |
| And they wonder why foreigners do not come in floods to take it? For that pay they would have to literally take anyone. |
No degree, no experience, no problem. |
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Markness
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There is a person in power now that takes the whole corruption thing very seriously. With that in mind, this has lead to stricter regulations when it comes to who they can allow teaching at their private/public schools. I have friends that have gotten the boot because they are not from the right countries, and I feel that this is a step in the right direction for our market if we want to stop living in shoebox apartments for the rest of our lives.
I know that may sound a bit cruel but hey.. I have a family to feed. The market has been swamped with illegal workers for far too long that has caused stagnant wages. Don't get mad at the system if you're breaking the rules and/or are trying to get through with loop holes and eventually get caught.
What's happened? I've noticed that the price for private work has spiked from 100-150 to 200+ now. The training school jobs that were offering only 8-9k per month a few years ago now are offering in the range of 12-16k. And people called me crazy.. this isn't a coincidence folks. I think this trend is great for us that are here with the proper paper work from the proper countries that are trying to make a living. Good luck to you that are sticking it out because it looks like things are going to be safe here.
If you want to make it a long-term thing here then make sure you have the proper paperwork (degree/certificate) and you'll be just fine. |
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rioux
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
There is a person in power now that takes the whole corruption thing very seriously. With that in mind, this has lead to stricter regulations when it comes to who they can allow teaching at their private/public schools. I have friends that have gotten the boot because they are not from the right countries, and I feel that this is a step in the right direction for our market if we want to stop living in shoebox apartments for the rest of our lives.
I know that may sound a bit cruel but hey.. I have a family to feed. The market has been swamped with illegal workers for far too long that has caused stagnant wages. Don't get mad at the system if you're breaking the rules and/or are trying to get through with loop holes and eventually get caught.
What's happened? I've noticed that the price for private work has spiked from 100-150 to 200+ now. The training school jobs that were offering only 8-9k per month a few years ago now are offering in the range of 12-16k. And people called me crazy.. this isn't a coincidence folks. I think this trend is great for us that are here with the proper paper work from the proper countries that are trying to make a living. Good luck to you that are sticking it out because it looks like things are going to be safe here.
If you want to make it a long-term thing here then make sure you have the proper paperwork (degree/certificate) and you'll be just fine. |
Agree! I will say though that I was charging 300RMB for privates back in 2014. |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| rioux wrote: |
| Markness wrote: |
There is a person in power now that takes the whole corruption thing very seriously. With that in mind, this has lead to stricter regulations when it comes to who they can allow teaching at their private/public schools. I have friends that have gotten the boot because they are not from the right countries, and I feel that this is a step in the right direction for our market if we want to stop living in shoebox apartments for the rest of our lives.
I know that may sound a bit cruel but hey.. I have a family to feed. The market has been swamped with illegal workers for far too long that has caused stagnant wages. Don't get mad at the system if you're breaking the rules and/or are trying to get through with loop holes and eventually get caught.
What's happened? I've noticed that the price for private work has spiked from 100-150 to 200+ now. The training school jobs that were offering only 8-9k per month a few years ago now are offering in the range of 12-16k. And people called me crazy.. this isn't a coincidence folks. I think this trend is great for us that are here with the proper paper work from the proper countries that are trying to make a living. Good luck to you that are sticking it out because it looks like things are going to be safe here.
If you want to make it a long-term thing here then make sure you have the proper paperwork (degree/certificate) and you'll be just fine. |
Agree! I will say though that I was charging 300RMB for privates back in 2014. |
Yeah, nice post Markness (as it looks that I am indeed sticking it out). And in agreement with rioux, same here, but I do live in SH so horses for courses! And I wouldn't dream of working for 300RMB/hr at weekends now, I just find it tough going after a week's work! Nice to know that I have it at my fingertips though, but weekends off to me are just worth so much more!! |
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das31
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| It's doubtful employers (in China and elsewhere) consider job seekers' challenges with visa regulations when determining salary and bennies. Navigating visa processes are generally thought of as the job candidate's pre-employment responsibility. |
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| It blows me away that some of you guys can earn 30,000 RMB a month but i guess you're pretty stressed out and busy to attain that. |
I'll admit, 30K a month for a Uni job is astounding. If it's just a standard ESL job with typical hours and responsibilities then he must have the best Uni job in the country. I would assume it's a supervisory role that requires some admin work, but no way to know unless he wants to post more details.
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Interesting. I was given a figure of 25k per month working for a New Zealand university partner in Guizhou. Flights, accom, 3 months paid leave. So these positions do exist.... |
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nimadecaomei
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Interesting. I was given a figure of 25k per month working for a New Zealand university partner in Guizhou. Flights, accom, 3 months paid leave. So these positions do exist.... |
Happy with the job I have teaching in a HS, so I am not looking to move. However, why not share this university? Where/how/when did you find it? These are the things that would help ESL job seekers. |
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cormac
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Agreed. I'd love to hear how people find these high paying positions.
I'm not interested in them myself, since I prefer my low workload... but these forums often refer to these kinds of jobs and I've never known anyone on that kind of money without being in the top universities. |
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das31
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Sure, I'll share. It's a new venture by an institute of technology in New Zealand. They've already set up an off-shore program in collaboration with a chinese university and now they plan to send three New Zealand ESL / EFL teachers to teach EAP at another. The benefits / salary are somewhat similar to NZ university conditions but the salary is a little lower, I think because accommodation is provided. Here's the advertisement:
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