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Safety in KSA?

 
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tsunami42080



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Safety in KSA? Reply with quote

Specifically regarding the recent missile's sent to Riyadh. Anyone have any insight into whether this is something to be concerned about or not a big deal for a teaching family in KSA?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one has that type of insight. You'll have to determine your own comfort level. But definitely avoid taking a job near the Saudi-Yemeni border. Also check with your embassy's consular services to see if they provide security alerts.

BTW, many will argue that navigating city traffic is presently the biggest safety hazard. That may change (hopefully for the better) when women officially start to drive in the next couple of months.
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hash



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This subject has previously been discussed extensively on this board. Here's one example from just a few months ago:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=116994&highlight=danger+missles+riyadh

One is left wondering, of course, why one would risk exposing his family to the dangers present in this most unstable region in the world. It's not like this instability is something new....it's been the case for decades....or for centuries depending on your point of view.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one missile
two missiles
Why the apostrophe ?
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tsunami42080



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
one missile
two missiles
Why the apostrophe ?


Missiles plural...grammar/punctuation were never my strong suit.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tsunami42080 wrote:
scot47 wrote:
one missile
two missiles
Why the apostrophe ?


Missiles plural...grammar/punctuation were never my strong suit.


But you want a well-paid job teaching the language? Keep in mind that most adult non-native speakers studying English do so because they want to make a professional impression in a global environment....punctuation and grammar matter considerably in this context.
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hash



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:26 am    Post subject: going to Reply with quote

tsunami42080 wrote:
Missiles plural...grammar/punctuation were never my strong suit.

You should also keep in mind that KSA students are masters and little demons at ferreting out incompetent teachers……and promptly reporting them and complaining about them to “administration”. And once that happens……

A language teacher, openly admitting that grammar/punctuation “were” never [his] strong "suit" (sic), is like a brain surgeon admitting that he feels squeamish and ill at ease when he’s handling a scalpel.

I don’t know your background but perhaps you feel more at ease with “conversation” courses.

Many “ESL” “teachers” (especially Americans) who work or have worked in the “Orient” have been doing this type of oral work exclusively. I’ve met many (in KSA) who can’t tell the difference between a noun and a pronoun….or at least have a hard time “explaining” the difference to a student. They have an incredibly difficult time adjusting to what is required of them in the Gulf/KSA. Many can’t make it.

If this is you, you should quickly familiarize yourself with the kind of courses you’d be teaching in the Gulf/KSA. Very, very few of them are going to be predominantly "conversation" courses. If you have a degree and recognize that “grammar” is not your strong point, seems to me you’re going to have to go back to the very beginning by taking a summer or internet crash course on your weak points.

Saudi students, and your employer, will expect you – at a minimum - to be a “master” at the grammar of your mother tongue. (So will your fellow colleagues).

Seems to me the least of your worries in contemplating an ESL job in Riyadh is the “falling missiles” you might encounter. You're going to have many more contentious issues closer to home to deal with on a daily basis than "missiles".


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psychedelicacy



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Saudi students, and your employer, will expect you – at a minimum - to be a “master” at the grammar of your mother tongue. (So will your fellow colleagues).


I agree that someone who doesn't understand when and when not to use an apostrophe shouldn't teach English, but you are grossly overstating standards in Saudi Arabia.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree that someone who doesn't understand when and when not to use an apostrophe shouldn't teach English, but you are grossly overstating standards in Saudi Arabia.

My Saudi students would have easily recognized those errors.

To the OP: Regardless of where you go abroad to teach, always have an emergency fund available.
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Blistering Zanazilz



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a minor point but those missiles weren't "sent" to Riyadh. They were aimed or fired at the place. They're only sent if they're being delivered in a box to the user.
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
environment....punctuation and grammar matter considerably in this context.


a four period ellipsis??? Shocked

tsk tsk
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hash



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blistering Zanazilz wrote:
It's a minor point but those missiles weren't "sent" to Riyadh. They were aimed or fired at the place. They're only sent if they're being delivered in a box to the user.

Really?

From: New York Times (USA)
“But reliably sending a nuclear warhead halfway around the globe is extremely difficult…”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/22/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-weapons.html

From: The Guardian (UK)

“Experts have said that North Korea sent the missile over Japan as a warning to the US but…”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/29/missile-passing-japan-wakes-to-ominous-warning-about-north-korean-launch

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Elicit



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, depends on who did the firing/sending and most importantly who did the reporting of the event.
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