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theoriginalprankster



Joined: 19 Mar 2012
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject: Done with China, heading over your side Reply with quote

I never expected to spend 15 years in China, teaching all manner of students, from plebs to pilots. Time flies, literally.

China has become my 'comfort zone' and at 40 and I need to make a break, i need to try another country or two before I settle into late-middle age.

I'm thinking Vietnam. It will be challenging, it will be different, it will be a learning curve. China's just too easy for me these days - I order everything I want off a couple of apps, head out for a gentle stroll some days, some days just YT the hell out of the day.

Time to leave. I'm doing a summer camp here, and then ready to fly over. Best to secure a job beforehand? I reckon so.

Any other pro tips? I know I won't be earning as much, but give me a safe abode, a decent scooter, access to the beach and/or mountains, and reasonably non-retarded/spoiled students and I'm down.
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sigmoid



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you been to VN before? What specific questions do you have about the place?

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Best to secure a job beforehand? I reckon so.


Actually, for VN, you should arrive first and look around before settling on a job. You can contact schools before you come to put out some feelers. Nearly all of them have a website or Fb page. Numerous job ads can also be found online.

But there's no need to sign up before arriving.

The biggest market is kids and then there are also some IELTS classes.
General English, corporate and university work is around but minimal.
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you been to VN before? What specific questions do you have about the place?


Have I been before? Yes, two weeks, north to south about 4 years ago.

Specific questions - can I live a life of comfort I'm accustomed to in China (and save money)?
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rogerwilco



Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The students in both countries are similar.
Not many opportunities for teaching in Vietnamese universities.
Most of the opportunities are in language centers and primary/high schools.
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sigmoid



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Specific questions - can I live a life of comfort I'm accustomed to in China (and save money)?


Well, you should realize that, other than a few exceptions (RMIT and ???) the vast majority of schools in Vietnam DO NOT offer full-time positions with salaries, visas, accommodation, flights, insurance or anything else. If you're lucky, you may get a locker to keep your stuff.

What you do get is about $20 per teaching hour and a large amout of freedom and independence, which appeals to some people.

So, you can just show up and try it for 6 months without having to commit to anything. Then, depending on how you feel, return to China or move on to wherever.
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, you can just show up and try it for 6 months without having to commit to anything. Then, depending on how you feel, return to China or move on to wherever.


Perfect.
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kurtz



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigmoid wrote:
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Specific questions - can I live a life of comfort I'm accustomed to in China (and save money)?


Well, you should realize that, other than a few exceptions (RMIT and ???) the vast majority of schools in Vietnam DO NOT offer full-time positions with salaries, visas, accommodation, flights, insurance or anything else. If you're lucky, you may get a locker to keep your stuff.

What you do get is about $20 per teaching hour and a large amout of freedom and independence, which appeals to some people.

So, you can just show up and try it for 6 months without having to commit to anything. Then, depending on how you feel, return to China or move on to wherever.


I interviewed with RMIT recently, and they weren't offering FT positions. They said that PT staff could move to FT after perhaps 12 months which didn't sound too great so I didn't continue with the process.

Moving to Vietnam to teach YL? Really?
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Moving to Vietnam to teach YL? Really?


I don't teach young learners. Middle school and above.
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coffeespoonman



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just did this myself. Had enough of China, so after 7 years, my wife and I packed up and moved to Saigon. Been here for a month and a half, and so far, we love most things about it. Had visited here many times, so had some idea what to expect.

I did take the part-time RMIT offer. It's not as stable as I'd like, but I'm at a place in my career and age where I can still afford to be a bit flexible. And if we continue to love it, I can go full time in a little while. So far, I'm happy here, though I do miss the gobs of cash that China threw at us.

My feeling after being on the ground here is that there is lots of work, but as sigmoid said, you'll do a few hours here, a few hours there, mostly for 20-25 dollars an hour. The students seem to, generally speaking, be more outgoing, open and responsive than the Chinese, but that may just be my experience.

Going back to China may be an issue though. I'm not sure about getting a Z visa from here. You may need to go back home to jump through all the hoops if you decide to bail.

If you have specific questions, feel free to PM.
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