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'The paid summer is a great perk'
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Your Summer / Winter pay
Full salary, 12 months
38%
 38%  [ 8 ]
Full salary 10 months, partial in summer
14%
 14%  [ 3 ]
full salary 10 months / zero in summer
38%
 38%  [ 8 ]
full 8, partial 4
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
full 8, partial 2
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
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buffalobill12323



Joined: 18 Sep 2013
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:37 am    Post subject: 'The paid summer is a great perk' Reply with quote

I saw this line posted by another elsewhere, I consider the paid summer an absolute must. Teachers all over the world get paid holidays - it's part of the gig. I am at a loss as to why anyone working in China for more than 1 year would accept anything less. Accepting less gives the impression that it is ok to offer disrespectful salaries to FTs in general
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mw182006



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This assumes you're working for the same school from year to year right? This is my first year and I plan to switch unis next semester, so I figured I won't be seeing any summer pay. I shouldn't expect my new school to pay me during the break right?
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buffalobill12323



Joined: 18 Sep 2013
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mw182006 wrote:
This assumes you're working for the same school from year to year right? This is my first year and I plan to switch unis next semester, so I figured I won't be seeing any summer pay. I shouldn't expect my new school to pay me during the break right?


You shouldn't expect it, no, but it has been known to happen - a rarity, however. However, when you sign the new contract ask for 12 months. My second job in China paid 12 months even though it was a university (8 teaching months) and I was only there for 1 academic year.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There can also be perks that make up for the lack of summer pay. At my current position, I receive airfare reimbursement in addition to travel allowance every term.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I contract for a certain amount for a year and then divide the payments in to 12 months....no beanies or flights home.. just hard cold cash....almost 90 days of vacation .... just for the breaks .......
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoBillyNO wrote:
I contract for a certain amount for a year and then divide the payments in to 12 months....no beanies or flights home.. just hard cold cash....almost 90 days of vacation .... just for the breaks .......


Yep, same. It's easy to get swayed by a higher monthly salary, but when you look at it over the year it may not be so good if only 10 months are paid (if winter isn't paid that's a deal breaker).

I take it one step further and actually figure out how much they're paying me for a class. Monthly salary / 4 = weekly salary --> weekly salary / how many class hours = hourly wage.

My 'minimum' hourly wage varies depending on what I'm teaching.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

first contract in kunming paid spring break. no paid summer, even if
returning. in fact, ft's were required to leave the "campus hotel" and
put things in storage (not provided by the school!) somewhere.....

i didn't return.

current tropical college offers paid spring break, paid summer if returning.
can stay in housing (utilities still paid) over summer. school made the
apartment available immediately after the end of the spring semester
in kunming.

both semesters this year have been 12 hours per week, 3 days per week.
also have choice of flight reimbursement or fixed allowance, and choice
of picc insurance or fixed allowance. they are also giving me bonuses and
will occasionally pay for a 2-3 day vacation somewhere in hainan.

maybe will change a few more things....fao asked me to help edit/revise
the contract now that schools are no longer required to use safea contracts.
(at least in hainan........YKMMV)
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henan Business College in Zhengzhou didn't pay for the summer AND foreign teachers had to vacate their apartments or pay rent during the summer AND half pay for spring. I can't say enough bad about that place. I lasted four months.
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roadwalker



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend not taking offense at contract offers. Add up all salary, bonuses, reimbursements, etc. Then subtract all costs associated with the job (i.e: true airfare, necessary travel expenses, estimated utilities, rent and any others you can think of). Divide by 12. That's your monthly take if you want to go by calendar year. More importantly, it makes it easier to compare jobs compensation, a major consideration for many or most.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teachers all over the world get paid holidays - it's part of the gig.

In public schools in the U.S. teachers aren't paid for summers unless they're actually working. They can opt for pay checks to collect their pay during the 9 1/2 months that they are in the class room, or they may opt for their pay check to be stretched to be paid out over the course of the entire year.

This is why many school districts are pushing for 12 month school years: more pay.
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buffalobill12323



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
There can also be perks that make up for the lack of summer pay. At my current position, I receive airfare reimbursement in addition to travel allowance every term.


Right - personally I consider both to be 'musts' - 12 months AND airfare
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buffalobill12323



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
Teachers all over the world get paid holidays - it's part of the gig.

In public schools in the U.S. teachers aren't paid for summers unless they're actually working. They can opt for pay checks to collect their pay during the 9 1/2 months that they are in the class room, or they may opt for their pay check to be stretched to be paid out over the course of the entire year.

This is why many school districts are pushing for 12 month school years: more pay.


Seriously? Wow, just one more reason I am glad not to be American - that is scandalous.
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JoeKing



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buffalobill12323 wrote:

Seriously? Wow, just one more reason I am glad not to be American - that is scandalous.

What are some of the other reasons?
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buffalobill12323



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeKing wrote:
buffalobill12323 wrote:

Seriously? Wow, just one more reason I am glad not to be American - that is scandalous.

What are some of the other reasons?


Poor healthcare, poor social care, republicans, schools that teach creationism, Bill o Reilly, The deep south, The NSA, George Bush, No football, dry counties, the downhill slope, PCness, Budweiser, y'all cancelled 'Firefly', the phrase 'y'all', Kardashians, Renaming 'Marathon' as 'Sickers', Walmart, Lindsay Lohan, Oprah, Ellen, Calling national champions world Champions, and the word Realtor
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JoeKing



Joined: 30 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buffalobill12323 wrote:
JoeKing wrote:
buffalobill12323 wrote:

Seriously? Wow, just one more reason I am glad not to be American - that is scandalous.

What are some of the other reasons?


Poor healthcare, poor social care, republicans, schools that teach creationism, Bill o Reilly, The deep south, The NSA, George Bush, No football, dry counties, the downhill slope, PCness, Budweiser, y'all cancelled 'Firefly', the phrase 'y'all', Kardashians, Renaming 'Marathon' as 'Sickers', Walmart, Lindsay Lohan, Oprah, Ellen, Calling national champions world Champions, and the word Realtor

Well, I also have a strong dislike for most(almost all) of the things you cited, but it does not make me want to change nationalities. I could just as well cherry pick undesirable things associated with your nation - which I don't know and don't want to know because I don't want to get into a pointless nation-bashing contest. Just wondered why you felt the need to get in the anti-American dig on a thread(yes, I admit you started the thread) about contract benefits.
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