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Does anyone know if..LONDON!!
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barryp



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stillnosheep wrote:
London in the 70s: Dustman and Fireman strike; rubbish piling up in the streets; rats everywhere; homelessness growing.

London in the 80s: The Thatcher years (growing disparity between rich and poor; chronic public-sector underfunding; streets get dirtier; homelessness grows further)

London in the 90s: Rich:poor gap remains constant; streets get cleaner; homelessnes stabilises

London in the 21st century: London booming; gap widening but very poorest getting wealthier; streets much much cleaner; homelessness a fraction of what it was in the 80s and early 90s.

Moral of the story: There never was a golden age, Take off them backward-looking rose-tinteds and enjoy the day.


Very poorest getting wealthier, homelessness a fraction of what it was, enjoy the day.
You sound like a conservative party political broadcast before an election.

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lolwhites



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that there was never a golden age, but the original question that kicked this thread off was whether an EFL teacher could earn a decent living in London. The answer seems to be "Only if you moonlight as a rent boy for foreign billionaires."
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homelessness down. Standard of living up. London booming. Olympics on their way.

EFL wages in London aren't good, but the city itself is doing well.

You can make a living, but not a great one unless you teach lucrative privates or find yourself a lucrative niche.
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caramel



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being from London myself I have to say it is quite expensive to live here and on a TEFL wage it can be worse! So my advise is, if you want to stay in London ,which can be a cool city in some places (eg Camden, Clapham, Kensington and Chelsea, Soho....), then get a "normal" job i.e. working in an office etc etc etc.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where else could you see the London Symphony Orchestra performing a new score accompanying A Throw of Dice in the open air for free one week followed by the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra and the Vienna Philharmonic for a fiver each the next and the Boston Symphony Orchestra for a fiver the week after?
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tabbicat



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you're earning, you can still have a great time in London. I've lived there on two occasions with not much money, and found loads to do which cost little or nothing. I recommend the following activities: walk, cycle, visit parks and museums (many are free), people watch, meet people, go jogging, and find out what you're entitled to if on a low income. A year or two living in London is an experience worth having, even if hard up financially. Then move on.
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Pelican_Wrath



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree that London tube fares are exorbitant.

I went from Heathrow to Manor house when I visited there from China in summer 2007. It cost 2.20. That's not exorbitant at all.

Of course, if you're fucktarded enough to pay the cash fares, then you deserve all you get.
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newmexican



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:41 am    Post subject: you can do it Reply with quote

I work for a school in London that offers most of it's teachers 'full-time' contracts of 30 hours per week, and brand- new teachers get 10 per hour - up to 13 if you have experience. And unlike some schools, you get paid for the full hour, they don't subtract the 10 minute breaks from your pay. It doesn't pay enough for you to live alone or in a central area, but if you share with flatmates and/or live a little further out, you can definitely live in London. The museums are free, and Sam Smith's pubs have cheap beer, and grocery prices aren't too bad. London is VERY expensive, though, and you won't be able to afford a lot of luxuries.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone ever managed to top up their meagre income in teaching small groups or individuals privately?
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SueH



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BELS wrote:
Has anyone ever managed to top up their meagre income in teaching small groups or individuals privately?


I'm sure I've seen mention in some threads. I used to do a little private work on the south coast and as I was fairly inexperienced only got 25 an hour: as good as my rate at FE college but with less bureaucracy and the ability to offset my mileage costs against tax.

I'm sure in London you could do better given decent marketing and a few useful contacts.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SueH wrote:
BELS wrote:
Has anyone ever managed to top up their meagre income in teaching small groups or individuals privately?


I'm sure I've seen mention in some threads. I used to do a little private work on the south coast and as I was fairly inexperienced only got 25 an hour: as good as my rate at FE college but with less bureaucracy and the ability to offset my mileage costs against tax.

I'm sure in London you could do better given decent marketing and a few useful contacts.


Thanks for that SueH , It;s what I have been looking for. Allthough Britain has been used and used and abused by Brititish employers. I really do feel that private teaching is the way forward.

What others don't realise is that Britain within is the biggest demand in teaching EFL or ESOL compared to the rest of world. Yes teaching English to foreighners or those of a second language are thoselearning as a second language is right here in Britain. That is where it is, and that's a fact , and our government has already recognised this! It's a fact!

But the problerm is that we are underpaid! What can we do about it?

Hopefully we can get together somehow and set up some form of association for private tutors. It would be a non profitablle association. it woulld be simply us getting together and forming a website and encourouraging our services throughout the world. It's time time to stop being used and used and used and abused, sometime s by foreign companies who are not really British, sometimes not even American. It's time to make a move. Who's in.

British regulations are difficult. but if we could make an agency of small tutors wishing to teach small groups in a better way, we can avoid these strict rgulations. Once you grow and start employing etc you start getting involved with a crazy redtape setup. Set by a socialist government no doubt.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I can't understand, techers in Britain, , British teachers who are annoyed they are not getting the salaries they deserve, who not involved in th this crazy idea that they are not real teachers. For goodness sake for many of us we are capable of teching those who don't know English whatsoever into learning English to a very high standard, is tha not a fantastic skill? For goodnees sake, it is greater than teaching native english children or teenagers. It's a much greater skill!

Why are we so so underrated if if we have the cabability of teaching those who can't speak English. Yet those wo are only capable English to those who already know English.

For goodnees sake!! I could read at the age of three, before I went to school. I loved reading Grimms Fairy tales, Geography of the World, animal life etc before I even went to school. Scool on early years to me was boring, as I already knew. Same as English, much as what we were taught, many of us already knew it. But teaching is a whole different thing. We bring something new to them.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry!But Summer activity schools are shit, inregards to teaching. I've been there and taught. The only use it might have is the immersion of students of different nationalities speaking togethether. Unfortunutely many of them stick together in their and don't learn anything, and nobody attempts to pursuade it otherwise. Sorry that;s what I have , although ther are rare exceptions.

French stick to French, Italian stick to Italian, that's the way they. And I suppose if it was Brits, Brits would stick with Brits. Yes I know their parents would want it differently, but that's not the way it can be.

How canwe change that attitude, not by these massive schools, but by be being smaller and anilising the prob;ems.

Massive schools are out, and those stupid controls by the British government should be stopped. Redtape crap is what I say!
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SueH



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judging by the length and the typos that was the late night vodka talking, but I don't think there's much I'd radically disagree with you. Smile

There's been a bit in the mainstream press about visa mills recently and regulation would help those, but such schools would never be good payers.
Pre-sessional work pays well but is short term. No doubt about the demand though, both ESOL and EFL.

Incidentally my student I taught English at 25 an hour thought I was good value although the company was paying. But individual students I came across didn't have enough money for me to make it worthwhile. I did think of approaching some of the local farmers to teach their gangs of foreign pickers but never got round to it.
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