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Obtaining a job w/out EU passport/work permit?
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atimeforeverything



Joined: 01 Nov 2007
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Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Obtaining a job w/out EU passport/work permit? Reply with quote

Hey all! I am an American, with experience teaching ESL and a TESOL Cert, Bachelors Degree.

It seems almost impossible to find a job in Europe as an American.

Any thoughts, ideas? I am trying to find something immediately.

Thanks!

Becky
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all. In the new EU it's possible for you to get a legal job. If you're thinking of the older EU ie the pre-2004 fifteen members then you could certainly work but just not legally unless you get remarkably lucky. It's then up to you to decide whether you can handle the hassle of having no legal protections.
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atimeforeverything



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most job postings Ive seen have said they want someone who is an EU national, or already has a Work Permit.

It's super frustrating!
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john_n_carolina



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atimeforeverything, you're gonna to spend a lot of timefornothing looking for 'legal' jobs. except Czechoslavakia and Poland. both, you need to be in-country. so, pack up your Tourister suitcase,North Face parka, a pair of gloves, and your ESL certificate and we'll see you at Prague International airport.
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atimeforeverything



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so if you dont go legally, what kinda visa to you get? just a tourist?
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john_n_carolina



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...i believe just a passport. Spiral78 will probably know more. but, this topic has been discussed more than Paris Hilton's jail time. check the other country threads.
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QatarChic



Joined: 06 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johninmaine wrote:
...i believe just a passport. Spiral78 will probably know more. but, this topic has been discussed more than Paris Hilton's jail time. check the other country threads.


Spiral78 has the patience of a saint! Laughing Seriously, the guy has explained this issue so many times, yet people just can't or maybe don't want to believe it.

atimeforeverything
The bottom line is you can find plenty of work teaching in Spain, but it will in 99% cases never be legal. Remember that you won't have the same rights as those from the EU when it comes to health and other benefits. However, I have read that one person here who's American (CharlesTESOL I think his name is), and has done it successfully but he went through the proper channels etc to get his status legalised.

In any case, why would you want to work in a country illegally anyway?
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QatarChic wrote:
In any case, why would you want to work in a country illegally anyway?


Tax would be one reason especially where it's quite high. When I was working in Spain I got a number of hours paid in an envelope but I was still eligible for healthcare. Of course an employer should sort all that out for you anyway but that's another matter Confused

The main reason though would be that the location itself is desirable and so people think "screw it let's do it!" Might explain why there are hardly any Americans in Latvia Laughing
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atimeforeverything, as john writes, most of the 'old' EU countries (includes Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, etc) are nearly impossible for North Americans to get legal work in.

Spain, in particular, is a hotspot for illegal teachers - many, many people do it. But you've got to be able to take the stress and uncertainty of possible repercussions. Read through earlier threads on the forum for more info on this.

John, there is no Czechoslovakia!!
However, it's a valid point that North Americans can work legally in most of the 'new' EU, including Czech Rep, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, etc. It's a hassle to get a work permit, but it's legally doable.

In either case, you need just to come with a passport - at the moment, US citizens aren't required to hold visas to enter any EU member country that I'm aware of.

And Qatarchic, great thanks for the kind words. Looks like I may be coming out to join you Teachers in the Sands in September (dog in tow). I'll no doubt be needing some info from you guys as the time gets closer.
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QatarChic



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:


And Qatarchic, great thanks for the kind words. Looks like I may be coming out to join you Teachers in the Sands in September (dog in tow). I'll no doubt be needing some info from you guys as the time gets closer.


You're more than welcome. Feel free to ask any Qs and hope the move goes well Very Happy
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[quote="spiral78"]atimeforeverything, as john writes, most of the 'old' EU countries (includes Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, etc) are nearly impossible for North Americans to get legal work in.

Spain, in particular, is a hotspot for illegal teachers - many, many people do it. But you've got to be able to take the stress and uncertainty of possible repercussions. Read through earlier threads on the forum for more info on this.


I am a US citizen and worked in Spain on a tourist visa the first six months of this year. I had no trouble finding work "under the table" and was always treated fairly by the schools I worked for and paid on time. I left because I didn't want to spend the next few years of my life in a legal limbo.
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SirKirby



Joined: 03 Oct 2007
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Location: Barcelona, Spain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to apply to the smaller schools, and possibly in the smaller towns and cities. There, you'll find they have fewer problems with employing someone illegally -- in fact, some would rather do that as they save the social security payments.

A larger language school will probably just say no: it's just SO easy to find an EU national, hassle-free to employ. Why should they go to the trouble of employing anyone who hasn't got the right papers (they think)?

Here in Barcelona, lots of Americans (and other non-EU nationals) do find work (in the smaller schools, or doing private tuition), but -- that I know of -- very few of them legally employed.
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mdk



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to limp up like one of the gods of the copybook headings and say my say again...


Spain is such a nice place - why do you want to go over there and risk getting a bad name by working illegally? Instead you can go over and do the Camino de Santiago. It is so cheap that they practically pay you to walk it.

I myself just bought myself a ticket to Dublin so I can make my way to Seville and do the Camino del Sur in January when it isn't baking hot. In walking the Camino you get an excellent exposure to Spain and lots of chances to drop in on the odd out of the way school where it would be easier to find work....It's called networking.


Then if you like it so much you can scrape up enough of the ready to go find an immigration lawyer in Spain and do it all legally.


Or ... or.. you could go to Croatia which is a very nice place to live where they maybe aren't so snotty about having a work visa to teach english. If you can't have fun in Dubrovnik...just entre nous ... you probably can't have any fun in Spain anyway.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bumping the post up for new member.
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AdamtheJohnson



Joined: 10 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Bumping the post up for new member.


Isnt this thread filled with info from the "old" laws in EU though?
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