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Advice for newbies leaving the UK with PGCE aspirations
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davidmeta



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Advice for newbies leaving the UK with PGCE aspirations Reply with quote

Hello all

I am looking to take up TESOL for a few years next Sept. I have just realised that I would lose my UK residency after three years abroad. According to the TDA, after those three years I would not be eligible to have my PGCE tuition fees paid for on my return.

Just a word of warning to those thinking similar things.

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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the small print.

If you can prove that your contracts were all temporary, it will be fine.
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other thing is that if you have lived in the EEA then the still counts as resident in the UK regardless of how long or what contracts. Worth bearing in mind. If you live in Spain for 10 years you still count as UK resident.
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Phil_b



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this has come up before, just a couple of points:

It's not if you're outside the EEA for 3 years - It's that you have to have been in the EEA for the three years previous to the course... so one year outside is enough to qualify you for overseas fees (even if you spent the previous 45 years working in the UK!)

However, if at the point you went abroad you intended to return to the UK - that is that it was your intention to be abroad temporarily, you still qualify for home fees...

Of course - concrete proof of your intentions is rather hard to find... Maintaining a UK bank account etc is probably not a bad idea...

I can see why they have rules like this - but there must be a better way of doing it...
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I've been in China for five years, and my Uni has said that I will pay home fees, as all my contracts were temporary (I would imagine that the low paid aspect of my jobs out here must have been a factor too, I reckon this law was made to get dosh out of high-rolling expats, more than anything)
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other thing, how on earth would they prove that you weren't in the EEA? It would be pretty easy to make up an imaginary school in, say, Poland, and say that you were working there, had you been outside the EEA.
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Adeem



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What have you managed to do about student loans/LEAgrants/ support?

Thanks
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kaw



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well as the education side of things also remember that if you're classed as living abroad (being out of the country for x% of the year - sorry you'd have to check the figures) and not paying national insurance going to see your local doctor can be a problem.

Try and keep a UK address - your parents maybe - as your normal UK address and make sure you stay registered on the electoral role.
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adeem wrote:
What have you managed to do about student loans/LEAgrants/ support?

Thanks


Just waiting to hear the result of that actually.
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Adeem



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Luck to you (a not entirely altruistic sentiment, but certianly one with heartfelt best wishes).

The financial logistics of getting back to England to study again are complex...
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foss



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did the PGCE after years in Spain. No problem whatsoever with tuition fees and bursary. However, I was refused a 1000 grant, which was awarded only to mature students with continuous residency in UK over the previous three years.

The biggest problem was reactivating the dormant bank account - perhaps it's a good idea to keep on prodding your UK accounts with small deposits from time to time to keep it awake.
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Pelican_Wrath



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No probs with that; I've got a UK account with quite a decent sum of dosh in...
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Pelican_Wrath



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should add, though, that your case is a little different as you have been within the EEA. I have been in China, so I was very worried about this. However, it appears OK as my contracts were all temporary. You have to argue that when you apply. I think they just tell people this stuff to put people off applying.
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Pelican_Wrath



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, I am definitely getting the bursary etc. Cool

Started the course.

It's hectic. Shocked
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Pelican_Wrath



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should add, though, that all PGCE students now no longer have theit tuition paid. You have to get a loan to pay it.
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