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theworldinagrainofsand



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: wages-how much do we deserve? Reply with quote

I used to find such comments on low wages tiresome but now they just amuse me.

I remember I instigated a bonus scheme to help people realise that if they did what only what they were contractually obliged to do, they could earn a little more. As I could have predicted when you give staff more for them doing what they have always done they become less happy. Why? Well, Iíll let you work that one out. In one instance of a teacher who was always late, got miffed because he didnít get any bonus for the punctuality element. Can you believe it!

See if you can disagree with any of this

Most people who enter efl are young graduates who have very little ambition or skills and donít have any prospect of a good career in the UK commensurate with their perceived value as a graduate so gain a cert to go and live abroad for a while. It has been a truism for at least two hundred years that if you canít make it in the home country you go abroad. They go abroad and work for low wages which they donít really care about as it seems like an extended holiday and are glad to have the chance to survive in a foreign country/culture. They are now qualified (long expensive training gives them a professional status as an efl teacher Ė well 4 weeks and £800).

They return for summer school work for a few years and then they start to think they are not really getting anywhere so theyíll return to the UK to make some real money commensurate with their value as a professional, qualified, experienced graduate.

Of course permanent posts are quite rare and almost all are poorly paid. Why is that? Because every year there are more and more ďqualified teachersĒ (remember that long and expensive professional training?). For supposed graduates the fact that almost all of them have no grasp of the basic laws of supply and demand says something doesnít it.

Remember however that the longer one stays in this business as a teacher the more entrenched in a losing mindset you will become. Hey presto the only outlet is to complain about how other people donít give you things (higher wages) which are your birthright as a professional, qualified, experienced graduate. So wearying, so sad.

That is not to say there arenít some nice people in the business but the overwhelming majority are those who have abjectly failed in their other chosen pursuit (usually artistic) and are complete losers in every way, boring, lazy and lacking ambition.

I think the apotheosis of this type is Sandy Mcmanus. If I didnít have better things to do I would start a website to name and shame all the useless twats I have had to deal with, but why bother? It wonít improve my life. What will such people ever understand about working for six months, 15 hours a day, 7 days a week for no money at all, and you have had to remortgage to pay wages to the sort of ďprofessionalsĒ who walk off the job, don't turn up on time, can't fill in basic paperwork, disappear for days without informing anyone etc etc etc.


Iíve met hundreds of these types. Indeed I was one myself. Although I donít remember complaining about how other people didnít give me more money. My first efl job at the age of 26 paid £60 per week. That was in 1994. I have been in EFL since then and worked hard. Pay attention to that last sentence. My last job as a teacher in 2002 paid £1000 in a good week. In 2005 I earned £77,000. I once had a school but left that business as being honest and decent and trying to make everyone happy and at the same time having to deal with all the criminals, shysters and useless teachers stressed me out too much. Still in EFL but do not own a language school (thank God). How much do I earn now? about £11,000 per month. If my financial predictions pan out in about 15 months it should be about £66,000 per month.

I can hear the gasps of disbelief. Funny thing is, it isnít that much. Loads of people in the City earn these sorts of figures. ďWhy, How?Ē Oh how I wish the Guardian would teach readers the basics of supply and demand, even a short article on working hard instead of waiting for handouts would be helpful

In case any of you think this is a silly boast, think again. Apart from the fact none of you know me, nor are you ever likely to, money in fact means very little. Making it is just a game. And no, Iím not going to tell you how. Just like wisdom, all the answers are out there, youíve just got to work it out for yourself. Unfortunately very few of you will. I can guarantee that anyone who complains about how other people wonít give them something for free is unlikely ever to learn anything, which will ever help them get out of such a situation. The essence of success (if that is what you choose to call it, btw why are you all so avaricious?) is to work out how to give more to people while they give you less. Ok, Iím sure many of you didnít know that, although I am confident that giving away that little secret will not help any of you. Stony ground.

Remember 95% (exactly) of the population will never amount to anything. Do you know why? I hope there will be a post with the correct answer. If there is, I will respond to it. Indeed if someone does come up with the correct answer and they need a leg up financially or in any other way, Iíll help them. I can guarantee however that almost all responses to this post will be negative and there ye shall remain. Iím rambling a little here but I havenít quite lost faith in people yet. I am in fact looking for someone to do a job for me in EFL. Quite easy, quite a lot of admin, a little travelling, based in the beautiful English countryside and 40k for the right person.

None of you who work in schools and complain about your wages have ever spotted a decent employer and said to them, ďI am going to do something for you for free because I like working hereĒ, or ďI want to be paid lessĒ If any of you have any balls, just try it and see what happens. Those with the right attitude are always spotted sooner or later and given a chance to better themselves. There are many who started at the bottom with nothing and went right to the top. Do you think they got there by saying to those who mattered, Iím going to do less but I want more from you?

I expect youíll all be posting how bad I am. I canít see that I am but no doubt youíll find something to bleat about. But before you do, consider who creates jobs, pays taxes which run the country and pays for all the health and education you lot consume. And who pays to look after the old and the sick? and gives more money away to charity than you lot earn in a year? What do you contribute?"
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lolwhites



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SueH



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi lol,

Thanks for the post, always useful as ever. Happened to be in France today, at La Rosiere after I skied across from Italy. Gorgeous day, and the snow is still great. Even got a compliment for my French from a lady on a chairlift, which aint bad for 'O' level 35+ years ago..

Perhaps I won't go back to do a summer school, you never know what self-delusional, patronising, self-congratulatory employer you might meet. Far worse than I experienced in many years in IT.
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lolwhites



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original post is taken verbatim from a comment left on the TEFL Blacklist. Go there to see the responses, and the Inspector's nomination for the original author.
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theworldinagrainofsand



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lolwhites wrote:


So that will be yourself then lolwhites

Bis interimitur qui suis armis perit
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theworldinagrainofsand



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SueH wrote:
Hi lol,

Thanks for the post, always useful as ever. Happened to be in France today, at La Rosiere after I skied across from Italy. Gorgeous day, and the snow is still great. Even got a compliment for my French from a lady on a chairlift, which aint bad for 'O' level 35+ years ago..

Perhaps I won't go back to do a summer school, you never know what self-delusional, patronising, self-congratulatory employer you might meet. Far worse than I experienced in many years in IT.


Or lazy, inept, small-minded, moaning, unreliable, immature, arrogant efl teachers
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theworldinagrainofsand



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lolwhites wrote:
The original post is taken verbatim from a comment left on the TEFL Blacklist. Go there to see the responses, and the Inspector's nomination for the original author.



You really have got a lot of time on your hands, 100+ posts!
Isn't it time to do some work. Oh sorry I forgot, moaning pays more and is sooo beneficial to the spirit
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Algo5



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most people who enter efl are young graduates who have very little ambition or skills and donít have any prospect of a good career in the UK commensurate with their perceived value as a graduate so gain a cert to go and live abroad for a while.


You make it sound as if teaching English abroad is just the last refuge of lazy graduates who can't be arsed to do anything else. Personally, I think to travel, teach abroad and experience new cultures are very worthwhile ambitions - and in any case, not everyone knows exactly what they want to do/be in the distant future!

I don't doubt that there are plenty of teachers out there who complain about their wages, yet are too lazy to try and change their situation...but from what you've written here, it sounds like you've become very bitter from the bad experiences you've had in the world of TEFL. Which seems a shame, as surely you must have had some good experiences too?

As a young graduate with not just a CELTA certificate, but also a hell of a lot of enthusiasm for TEFL, I hope I don't end up that way myself. And you know what? I'll do my best to make sure that I don't.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Algo - I suggest we just ignore him, he's obviously only come to pick a fight and he may not even be the original author of the message since it's been copied and pasted from another site. The faster this thread sinks, the better.
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