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CELTA (YES) DEGREE (NO) - Which doors are still open?

 
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philspark



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: CELTA (YES) DEGREE (NO) - Which doors are still open? Reply with quote

Are any of you in the same position?

10 years teaching and teaching management experience
CELTA (10 years ago)
Loads of experience (class and new methods, technology etc...)
NO DEGREE!

Some doors are still closed to me and I need a well paid job that offers accom etc...asap.

Am I alone?

Phil
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well-paid and with accomodation?

Pretty rare, regardless of qualifications. Without a degree.... well, not in Europe, most likely(I assume you're posting from France?)

Maybe in China?
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philspark



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: not just in Europe Reply with quote

I'm looking globally, not just Europe.

I know they exist as I do find them from time to time. Far flung usually. this time I

I just wonder if there are any more of you out there that experience the same thing.

Or if anyone has a juicy contact , of course Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: CELTA (YES) DEGREE (NO) - Which doors are still open? Reply with quote

philspark wrote:
Are any of you in the same position?

10 years teaching and teaching management experience
CELTA (10 years ago)
Loads of experience (class and new methods, technology etc...)
NO DEGREE!

Some doors are still closed to me and I need a well paid job that offers accom etc...asap.

Am I alone?

Phil
So, what's keeping you from getting a four-year degree?
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philspark



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: What's keeping me? Reply with quote

Money
A one year old child
An ever expensive life without luxuries
A need to have a life and support myself and others
Lack of patience and financial support to do it without pressure that would stop me from finishing. As is what happened to my MA that I had to drop A year and a half ago.

I have the skills and experience and the CELTA. Yes, I know it the missing link but 4 years supporting myself, my bank, my son.....need another well paid job first.

Catch 22
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With that much related experience, you can get a work visa in Japan. Likely as not, you'll have to start on the bottom rung (ALT or business English or eikaiwa), but who knows? You might get lucky.

The problem as I see it is whether and how you take your child and spouse with you. How does your other half feel? What sort of commitment time-wise are the two of you willing to make for the 3 of you?
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philspark



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Indeed Reply with quote

That is the big question!

How. At the moment, we're thinking more like:

I go, earn as much as poss. Come back and sort things out.

A sacrifice for all concerned. But, it is also a quick fix to a more secure future.

I'm thinking: suffer it in an oil camp somewhere earning loads. Trouble is they're hard to find (posts and real contacts).

Japan sounds great but too much work for not much time off etc...and apparantly expensive to be there.

Waffle waffle waffle....
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Too much work"???

No offense, but just what do you expect to do teaching EFL? Sit around all day? C'mon! Conversation schools in Japan may have you in the classroom 20-30 hours a week or nearly 40. Find the ones on the lower end of the scale if you're not that prepared to do work. I don't think you'll find any country that offers less actual time with the students. You have 10 years of experience -- how hard did you work then?

Beggars can't be choosers, either, especially in a flooded market.
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philspark



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Hard work Reply with quote

Errr....

Yes , I know what hard is after working for 22 years. Thank you.

And yes, I am a hard worker...but, after hearing stories of how people end up working more than they should for an expensive lifestyle, I would prefer something either better paid or more compensation in other ways.

I'm also not a beggar in this market either.

Take my comments in the "realistic" viewpoint that they are made.

I don't much about yourself so I won't judge you on your comments. Do you know me? Or my life up to date?

I think not.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Or if anyone has a juicy contact


IMO, contacts should be earned; not just given. If you mean, could anyone provide a list of schools/oganisations,well, that's a different kettle. MOD EDIT
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Ariadne



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to jump in here and say to the younger folks reading this.. stay in school or go back to school. A young, single person might be able to 'make do', but once you add a family, things change. Children need to be clothed and housed and fed regularly. They need medical care and schooling and toys, in addition to care and supervision. Sure, lots of people manage to juggle kids, jobs, and school, but it's hard. Very hard.

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Kootvela



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Ariadne.

How about evening or extra-mural studies to get your degree?
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anyway



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you visit serious teachers website, join, and indicate your preference as 'any country', you will receive lots of offers from various schools and recruiters. One of those emails should be from one school in Taiwan which said a degree wasn't necessary, only some college credits. I don't remember the particulars.

Luck!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IH have been advertising jobs in Libya at 900-1000 pcm for most of this year. They always cited one year's experience but not necessarily a degree. Other than that - nix.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please stay on topic.

Off-topic, acerbic or insulting postings can result in very short tenures here.
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