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Hot2GlobeTrot



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Rolling Eyes We're obviously not waiters. The forum's for ESL/EFL teachers.

I can tell you what my friends in the restaurant business in Europe say, but they're not specifically in Paris.

What they say: 1. the job is fundamentally different to waiting tables in North America, because people generally STAY in the job long-term. Far less turn-over, fewer chances a foreigner with accented French will walk into a job in any case.
2. tips amount to very little


Really, I think the regulars on this forum have probably done all we can on this question.

Now, your turn, hot2trot. When exactly are you coming over? We will be EXTREMELY interested in what you find in general as you get started in Europe. Further, I'm sure your input once you get here will be useful to other newbies. Please do keep us posted.


and i'm obviously asking this question here on the off chance someone has waited tables/ bar tended in France...trying to get all the info i can to make informed decisions. Whether i can make more private tutoring or by waiting/ bar tending
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, clearly those of us regularly on the Europe boards can't inform you about waiting tables.

Try both when you get there.


Neither is likely to be particularly lucrative.
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santi84



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot2GlobeTrot,

See what happens when you base your beliefs on anecdotal evidence?

Even in many US states, servers are given a "minimum" wage of about $2.50 per hour (exempt from regular minimum wage), as it is expected that they will receive tips, which they are taxed on (another minimum amount). If you don't tip them, they pay out of pocket.

Europe, well, as anyone who has visited Europe can tell you - tips are generally not given. The same is true for a lot of countries, such as Australia.

Canada is one of those rare countries where you actually make a decent amount of money as a waiter.

Also, what do you consider "passable" French? As a FSL speaker myself, I can assure you that the diners of France will not be as enthusiastic towards "passable" French as the Quebecois during casual conversation in Canada.

Have you ever been outside of Canada?
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PeterBar



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never needed to work as a waiter or barman during my time here, although I have often been on the other side of the 'counter'

And like nearly all of my French friends, I seldom, if ever leave a tip. "It's not wrong, but we just don't do it"

But then, fortunately, living in France is not at all like living in the US or Canada. We have an unmatched savoir faire and a savoir vivre.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say waiting tables is the better option, dude. Go for it!
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theweather



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the Irish/English/Scottish and even Canadian pubs are predominately staffed by native English speakers.
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Rolling Eyes We're obviously not waiters. The forum's for ESL/EFL teachers.

I can tell you what my friends in the restaurant business in Europe say, but they're not specifically in Paris.

What they say: 1. the job is fundamentally different to waiting tables in North America, because people generally STAY in the job long-term. Far less turn-over, fewer chances a foreigner with accented French will walk into a job in any case.
2. tips amount to very little


Really, I think the regulars on this forum have probably done all we can on this question.

Now, your turn, hot2trot. When exactly are you coming over? We will be EXTREMELY interested in what you find in general as you get started in Europe. Further, I'm sure your input once you get here will be useful to other newbies. Please do keep us posted.


Hmm...says the king from his throne... Wink
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, I'm no king. And the 'throne' is really shaky, thanks to the economic crisis. But like most of the regulars here, I haven't yet waited tables in Paris or anywhere else to supplement my living.

What's in the future, well, who knows? But if I'm going to wait tables it'll be in Prague.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking of the same thing, cause I you know read somewhere that Czechislovakians really dig foreigners and stuff, what with them so thin on the ground there. What is the tipping situation like? Can you give me precise information so I can make an informed decision? And write me in Czechislovakian, coz, like, I'm at level 3 already and wanna see how good I can read and stuff
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czechs don't tip. But them millions of foreigners might.... Wink
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czechs don't tip? But that is not what I was told back in my village. And surely they'll reward me handsomely for my multiple passable languages, no? Maybe Paris is better after all. They'll love me and my exotic accent!
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Nope, I'm no king. And the 'throne' is really shaky, thanks to the economic crisis. But like most of the regulars here, I haven't yet waited tables in Paris or anywhere else to supplement my living.

What's in the future, well, who knows? But if I'm going to wait tables it'll be in Prague.


More King than I...I am a lowly boot licking pauper. I think I need to start living out my fanatasies in my head 24/7 to escape the misery of my life. Do you know how many people would kill to be in your position? Seriously...
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only wonder how many Spiral killed to be there too?! Wink
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
I can only wonder how many Spiral killed to be there too?! Wink


...dissolved in a vat of acid... Shocked
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acid pen? Acid tongue? Twisted Evil

Deicide, I thought you didn't want to teach - you don't want my job!
I've got 168 students at this precise moment (joy) Shocked
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