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Tudor



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:38 am    Post subject: MA fees in UK (England) Reply with quote

Has anyone done an MA at an English (not British, as I think fees in Scotland and NI are different to England and Wales) university after having worked overseas? If so, were you classed as a 'home' or an 'international' student?

I see that to be a 'home' student you should have been "ordinarily resident" in the UK for the three years preceding the start of your course, but it's quite vague as to what exactly constitutes "ordinarily resident". I've searched in numerous places online, but can't seem to find a straight answer - perhaps there isn't one.

Anyway, it'd be interesting to hear from anyone who has actually done this (or knows someone who has) rather than reading conjecture elsewhere from folk who don't actually know what's what themselves! Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: MA fees in UK (England) Reply with quote

Tudor wrote:
Anyway, it'd be interesting to hear from anyone who has actually done this (or knows someone who has) rather than reading conjecture elsewhere from folk who don't actually know what's what themselves!

Why not just email or phone the admissions departments of the universities you're interested in? That way, you're sure to get accurate, up-to-date info.
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Tudor



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: MA fees in UK (England) Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Tudor wrote:
Anyway, it'd be interesting to hear from anyone who has actually done this (or knows someone who has) rather than reading conjecture elsewhere from folk who don't actually know what's what themselves!

Why not just email or phone the admissions departments of the universities you're interested in? That way, you're sure to get accurate, up-to-date info.


The idea is very much in its infancy, so I haven't got anywhere near the point of drawing up a short-list of potential universities, although, yes, I guess I could contact one randomly to ask.

I'm still interested to hear what other people's experience has been though, as having to pay international fees would be a major barrier to pursuing this idea.
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figshdg



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine was in Korea for three and a half years. He matriculated at UCL last year. He's paying home fees.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my Masters during 2010/11, and had a quite a battle to get accepted as a ‘home’ student. I rejected one university’s offer of a place as they insisted on me paying fees as a foreigner, and had to Fed Ex copies of all the documents I had to the university that I chose to study at to prove that I qualified. One of my colleagues applied to do a Masters last year but couldn’t qualify as a ‘home fees’ student and he rejected their offer.

I think the rules have become even tougher since I applied, and I am not sure things will get any better due to reduced state funding:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/jan/05/university-protest-disastrous-neglect-postgraduates

I would say draw up a shortlist of unis that interest you, and then contact them about this issue. Best of luck.
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Tudor



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much as I expected really, hit-and-miss; I guess each university interprets the rules as they see fit.

Thanks for the replies.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have to declare your absence from the UK?

I never do, and so would then qualify as thats the default position. I have claimed support for undergraduate studies after being out of the UK, and also have claimed state benefits just by ... well, lying basically. Wink

I have found telling the truth to officialdom ends in tears.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Universities interpret the rules differently. It should be enough to have an address in the UK for some period. Is it three years ? You HAVE always lived with your granny haven't you ?

Usual eveidence of that is your name on the electoral register (vulge - voters' roll).
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Tudor



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denim-Maniac wrote:
Do you have to declare your absence from the UK?

I never do, and so would then qualify as thats the default position. I have claimed support for undergraduate studies after being out of the UK, and also have claimed state benefits just by ... well, lying basically. Wink

I have found telling the truth to officialdom ends in tears.


That's what I was thinking, but if I'm applying for an MA TESOL or similar then surely I would need to declare my overseas teaching experience to support my application, which would then contradict any claim to have never been absent from the UK. Also, I make payments to the Student Loan Company who also know I'm overseas and I don't know if they're anyway involved with whoever I would pay MA fees to; therefore, I wish to have all my bases covered before I begin applying.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah your circumstances are different to mine. I have never declared being overseas to any official body. For my undergraduate grants and support I just stated I was, and had always been, within the UK. I am always on the electoral register there anyway.
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ttxor1



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: MA fees in UK (England) Reply with quote

Tudor wrote:
Has anyone done an MA at an English (not British, as I think fees in Scotland and NI are different to England and Wales) university after having worked overseas? If so, were you classed as a 'home' or an 'international' student?


I have, and was classified as an international student. But I think this has to do with the fact that I'm not a British citizen, nothing to do with previous international work experience.

For the 2012/13 school year tuition fees were 11,900 pounds. You'll need about an additional 8,000 for living expenses.
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simon44



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I applied for, and was offered a place on the on-line MA in Education from Derby University, but was refused home student fees, even though I appealed this decision.

(I have lived in Thailand since 2002, but still have family in the UK).

Quite how a 100% on-line course can justify higher fees for 'foreign' students is beyond me - just greedy I suppose.

Simon
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TeacherTim



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my MA in History after three years in Asia and I paid home fees. Now, after seven years in Asia, my proposed MA (Education) will be at the international (double) rate. It depends on how strict the uni interprets the rule, but three years seems to be the cut off point for most places.
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently studying for an MA in England, after 2 years abroad. I only realised there may be a problem when it came to fees when I was filling in the forms online, I clicked 'home' as I thought it was synonymous with 'British'.

I had put on my application the dates I was in China (working) and they asked me about it, then asked me for copies of my employment contract. I spoke to the admissions department on the phone and sorted it out within a week.

Had I not asked them about it, I doubt they would have known.

I went into a lot of detail online, reading about it. Some of the specifications as to what a 'home' student are can be pretty vague/strange. I don't know if this will be of use to you, but there is one clause which stays extended periods outside the UK don't count if they are for special circumstances (I can't remember the clause exactly - but gaining relevant experience e.g. teaching for an MA, would probably count).

You need to make a decision... either don't tell them about your period of absence or, my preferred choice, ask the individual unis you are thinking of applying to.
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