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robitusson
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Grendal
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Posts: 861 Location: Lurking in the depths of the Faisaliah Tower underground parking.
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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That should answer every question you have ever had and convince you that only desperation would lead one to accept a job there... IMHO |
That seems kind of harsh. I'm here at the moment and although it's not the most ideal situation, I'm sure there are places far worse. |
"Najran"
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7168Riyadh
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 149
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: update: KSU PYP programme |
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Ref KSU quick update: 7 teachers on the male campus have been suspended pending disciplinary hearings. Their crime was to vent openly (about the April holiday cancellation and related gripes) on the "KSU Teachers" Google group, an alternative to the management-dominated "KSUTeachers" group. Some of the stuff said on the former site was silly, but boy it didn't take long for the hammer to fall. A very unpleasant situation. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Grendal
Hmm, perhaps Najran's looking better and better.
Regards,
John |
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lazycomputerkids
Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 360 Location: Tabuk
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:29 am Post subject: Re: update: KSU PYP programme |
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7168Riyadh wrote: |
Ref KSU quick update: 7 teachers on the male campus have been suspended pending disciplinary hearings. Their crime was to vent openly (about the April holiday cancellation and related gripes) on the "KSU Teachers" Google group, an alternative to the management-dominated "KSUTeachers" group. Some of the stuff said on the former site was silly, but boy it didn't take long for the hammer to fall. A very unpleasant situation. |
I'm signed into Google groups and finding no returns for "KSU Teachers" or "KSUTeachers" using the group directory. Any ideas?
edit: A general Go-Ogle search, does however. I'd ask to join the group, but I'm not a teacher there. So, I'll just enjoy your updates. |
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Citizenkane
Joined: 14 Jun 2009 Posts: 234 Location: Xanadu
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Ref KSU quick update: 7 teachers on the male campus have been suspended pending disciplinary hearings. |
Suspended? Without pay? I didn't think that was even possible in KSA.
Seems like that place is turning into a nightmare. Shame, it used to be quite alright.... |
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scot47
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Take care when choosing your masters. |
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cmp45
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Although choosing a good master is wise, so is choosing one's behavior.
I have no idea why these chaps were suspended, I think you have to be doing stuff that goes against the cultural and religious grain of the society to get suspended. Never forget where you are.
To avoid any confusion, no I have never been suspended, it is merely my opinion. |
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7168Riyadh
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Take care when choosing your masters. |
yes, yes of course. But all situations are dynamic within space and time...
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I think you have to be doing stuff that goes against the cultural and religious grain of the society to get suspended |
read political |
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Asda
Joined: 01 Jun 2008 Posts: 231
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I remember one of my friends asking me if they had any concept of trade unions here...I cracked up laughing!!! |
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Stephen Jones
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I remember one of my friends asking me if they had any concept of trade unions here...I cracked up laughing!!! |
The Saudi Arabic newspaper Okaz published a passionate plea for trade unions yesterday.
Here's the English translation from today's Arab News.
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article36160.ece |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Stephen,
Thanks for the article - it would, I think, be quite an improvement if unions were allowed, but I doubt it'll happen very soon (if at all.)
Regards,
John |
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Citizenkane
Joined: 14 Jun 2009 Posts: 234 Location: Xanadu
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Even if they did allow trade unions, would it make any difference on the ground?
Look at Saudi Labor Law, for example. It's hundreds of pages long, very thorough and reads as though it very much protects workers' rights. Has anyone ever heard of any foreigner successfully making a case with the Labour Laws, however? I haven't. Last year, a few former colleagues of mine had a very good case where their employer was clearly breaking the law. One of them came close to taking legal action, but in the end was told that it would just be a waste of time and money, as the employer always wins. So the Labor Laws are worthless in practice. I've a feeling the same would be true of trade unions, were they to be allowed. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Dear Stephen,
Thanks for the article - it would, I think, be quite an improvement if unions were allowed, but I doubt it'll happen very soon (if at all.)
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John |
I think that this calls for the swagger and forcefulness of king abdullah, you know, the one which "rocks"! ... ...
NCTBA |
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lazycomputerkids
Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 360 Location: Tabuk
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
johnslat wrote: |
Dear Stephen,
Thanks for the article - it would, I think, be quite an improvement if unions were allowed, but I doubt it'll happen very soon (if at all.)
Regards,
John |
I think that this calls for the swagger and forcefulness of king abdullah, you know, the one which "rocks"! :lol: ... :shock: ... :lol:
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IMHO...the King would be rolling were he to embrace unions. From an investor's point of view, unions are a failure of management. Free -market capitalists consider unions a protectionist racket.
I don't concede the protection of workers is accomplished by free-markets, but I've yet to see a union not exhibit the qualities of bureaucracy. |
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