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cassy_283
Joined: 04 Jul 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:27 am Post subject: Living in Oaxaca, How to find a job? |
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I am newly CELTA certified and just moved back to Oaxaca de Ju�rez. I lived here for four months this past summer. I have been going from school to school and have had two interviews but no job offers yet. I will be here for over a year, possibly longer, and available to teach long term. Any suggestions? |
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ElJuero
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: Oaxaca problems |
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I hesitate to go into to much detail because I could write a book on it. There are significant issues to working in Oaxaca not the least of which are visa problems.
I would strongly recommend looking at the intended contract before you start the VISA process. Get the contract in English and read it carefully.
I would also strongly suggest avoiding Cambridge Academy. The school is located about 4 blocks from Parque Llano and the foreigner library.
There is a long history of the owner screwing teachers there. She is not trusted by many in the community.
I understand through friends that the most recent contract is heavily biased for her and not the employee.
Any vagueness in the contract or your employment situation with the school will be used as leverage by the owner who has lost several decent teachers in the last year. You will likely be promised full time hours but when the hours do not appear you'll be tied to her in the VISA with immigration. The owner is aggressive and unprofessional in influencing other employers to not hire you even though she will never come through. In short you'll be stuck with a very bad situation.
Do not accept any contract that does not provide for a minimum of 19-20 hours of pay or you'll simply be used at the owners convenience and advantage.
I understand there is a new director at the school but I would still stick to the facts about getting your contract details up front before you invest a ton of money and time into the immigration details.
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J Sevigny
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 161
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Oaxaca seems like an ideal place to live and work but it�s actually a very expensive city and wages are very low. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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I will be here for over a year, possibly longer, and available to teach long term. |
It sounds like other reasons than choice of work brought you to Oaxaca: I'm concerned about your having put yourself in one of the more difficult markets in Mexico as a first experience after your TEFL course when a big disappointment in work could sour you to the whole enterprise
These forums are full of warnings about the difficulties of finding any kind of work on reasonable terms in Oaxaca: now is the time to reconsider before you've signed a lease and get too deeply committed to what may prove to be a bad situation work-wise should you be relying on working to support yourself in Mexico
It's clear from the hundreds of posts on this forum that there are many perfectly good places to live and work in Mexico and make a start in TEFL: Oaxaca- for a combination of reasons- does not seem to be one of them |
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ElJuero
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Tretyakovskii wrote: |
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I will be here for over a year, possibly longer, and available to teach long term. |
It sounds like other reasons than choice of work brought you to Oaxaca: I'm concerned about your having put yourself in one of the more difficult markets in Mexico as a first experience after your TEFL course when a big disappointment in work could sour you to the whole enterprise
These forums are full of warnings about the difficulties of finding any kind of work on reasonable terms in Oaxaca: now is the time to reconsider before you've signed a lease and get too deeply committed to what may prove to be a bad situation work-wise should you be relying on working to support yourself in Mexico
It's clear from the hundreds of posts on this forum that there are many perfectly good places to live and work in Mexico and make a start in TEFL: Oaxaca- for a combination of reasons- does not seem to be one of them |
Articulated in a nice way. I was lucky to have a great TESOL program behind me and I made friends with a couple of wonderful people but the possibility of ending up with less than you came in with and some bitter experiences is a real possibility in Oaxaca. At this point in time for Oaxaca - not for the new or those with thin bank accounts. |
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cassy_283
Joined: 04 Jul 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: Thank you |
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Thank you all for the reply. I appreciate all the time that you have taken to help me. I did indeed find a decent job in Oaxaca. I am now working for Harmon Hall Oaxaca. If anyone has any real bad experiences there it would be good to know. I sign my 40+ hour contract in three weeks.
Also if there are any bad experience or suggestions with immigration here I will be all ears. Thanks again to all of you, especially about the school near Reforma. I nearly applied there. |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 1520 Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: Thank you |
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cassy_283 wrote: |
Thank you all for the reply. I appreciate all the time that you have taken to help me. I did indeed find a decent job in Oaxaca. I am now working for Harmon Hall Oaxaca. If anyone has any real bad experiences there it would be good to know. I sign my 40+ hour contract in three weeks.
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I really don�t mean to rain on your parade, cassy, but I don't think you can call a job that has you teaching 40+ hours a week "decent".  |
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wildchild

Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Harmon Hall Oaxaca...
... and the plot thickens... |
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ElJuero
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Thank you |
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cassy_283 wrote: |
Thank you all for the reply. I appreciate all the time that you have taken to help me. I did indeed find a decent job in Oaxaca. I am now working for Harmon Hall Oaxaca. If anyone has any real bad experiences there it would be good to know. I sign my 40+ hour contract in three weeks.
Also if there are any bad experience or suggestions with immigration here I will be all ears. Thanks again to all of you, especially about the school near Reforma. I nearly applied there. |
Hi cassy,
Good luck with the job - as I recall some people did like the Harmon Hall in Oaxaca better than Harmon Hall's in other locations. I also recall it was staffed by mostly Mexican English teachers. I found with the low pay in Oaxaca that it was necessary to work about 26-28 hours /week or at least have 22/week with a decent paying private student or two. 40+ is a very heavy load in my book and I think what you're hearing from others are similar sentiments.
You may want to bail from that job after a short time due to burnout (well, I would at least)
Be wary of Cambridge. The owner is famous for promising sufficient hours and then screwing people over. At least two decent staff in the last 12 months have left. Others may be out the door. Trust me, the Cambridge owner is malicious despite the pleasant presentation. She will interfere with your attempts to work anywhere else as well. The problem is for many is that they battle immigration (alone) to work legally and then get screwed in Oaxaca. I've seen it numerous times. You pay and wait, filling numerous and changing requirements only to finally get the Visa and then you have marginal or insufficient hours anyway. I suspect many leave Oaxaca with $ lost in the end.
Seriously, PM me if you want more info. Where you are in the Visa process could make a difference.
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Teaching above a number of hours that allows you to do a job you're proud of, and the time it takes to be a little creative in the process, will eventually exhaust you, mentally and spiritually. Burnout is real, and can drive people out of teaching who would otherwise have enjoyed a long and productive career from which others benefited.
Even with minimal requirements for preparation- familiarity with the materials and a good coursebook to work with- anything over about 26 contact hours eventually does you in: those who brag they can do more simply haven't done it for enough years.
I once decided to teach 36 hours per week since it was just going to be for a six week period: near the end of that time, English Language sentences were forming spontaneously in my head in a random fashion, unlike what happens when we are "thinking".
I hope you like your new job, your boss and your colleagues; and, I hope you didn't mean you might actually be teaching as many as 40 hours/week. Teaching is stressful, at times, and always demanding of high energy levels. It is especially stressful at first, when everything is new. Teaching hours are not at all like "hours of work", owing to these factors. Too many hours in the classroom could make you want to give it up, quickly.
You have chosen both Oaxaca, and TEFL: with determination and a little luck, you can make both work for you; but limiting your teaching hours to no more than 26 per week will increase your chances of survival. Acting too enthusiastically, if the boss suggests teaching more hours than that, will put both at risk. |
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