Site Search:
 
TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Qualifications for teaching ESL in Bogota
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Colombia
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
kaitlin_h17



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: Qualifications for teaching ESL in Bogota Reply with quote

Hello everyone! I am a sophomore in college majoring in Spanish Education. I have practiced my Spanish with several Colombians and I've really fallen in love with the culture, even though I've never been there.

I've oftentimes contemplated teaching in Colombia, but I've heard very diverse opinions. I've heard that it's not as dangerous as everyone perceives it to be. I've also heard some people say that you cannot survive on a teacher's salary while others say that you can. I don't have student loans or any debts, so I'm just looking to survive Very Happy I know I'm probably not going to save money.

My first question deals with certification. The TESOL degree is set up a bit strangely at my University. I cannot get the TESOL certification because it is a graduate program and I'm not in grad school. However, I can take the corresponding classes with a linguistics minor, and my professor told me that he can write a letter explaining that I am 'certified', but I technically won't have the certification and it won't appear on my transcript. Would this be a problem?

I've heard a lot about the CELTA as well....should I go that route? I've heard it's very helpful but it is quite pricey. Is it worth the investment?

I've been trying to get more preparation here for teaching ESL because I understand that it is indeed a difficult job. I plan to observe some ESL classrooms and tutor some students in ESL. Also the Education major and linguistics minor will help with methodology. But with this being said, I probably wouldn't have prior experience teaching ESL in front of a classroom before going to Bogota. I plan on going when I graduate.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated! Teaching ESL in Colombia seems extremely rewarding and it has been a dream of mine for a while now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
CarolinaTHeels



Joined: 03 May 2011
Posts: 130

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id change my major to become a LICENSED teacher. Then you can get nice jobs making real money in Colombia and ANYWHERE in the world at International Schools.

If not that id get a CELTA if you want to stay in Colombia for more than 6 months.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kaitlin_h17



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By becoming a "licensed teacher", do you mean getting the TESOL certification? Or my license to teach in my state? Could you please clarify this?

I would consider majoring in TESOL but unfortunately it's not an option for a major at my university.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
spanglish



Joined: 21 May 2009
Posts: 584
Location: working on that

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sound like you are getting well qualified and doing your research.

Do you think you might live in Colombia and Latin America for several years? What kind of students do you want to teach? If it's kids, you should get certified to teach in your home state and attempt to get a job at a decent high school down here. Otherwise, you could land at IH and put in your time for a bit until you can get on with a decent uni.

If you're doing coursework from an MA in TESOL, I'm not sure that it'd be worth it for you to get your CELTA; sounds like you'll be beyond that by the time you graduate. It would be good if you could take a course that involves teaching real students and being evaluated by a teacher trainer.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kaitlin_h17



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response! Smile It's not an MA en ESL but rather the linguistics minor....the classes correspond to the TESOL certification but I don't know if I can get the actual certification due to the fact that I'm not in grad school (I wrote about this in the first post Wink )

With that being said, my senior year I will student teach in SPANISH and I will be evaluated. But I imagine this still is useful because I can apply some of the same methodologies to ESL.

As for the TESOL certificate, I plan to tutor ESL students and minor in linguistics to take TESOL courses. There is a TESOL methods class which I plan to take next year and then a TESOL practicum course which involves teaching (and maybe evaluation but I'm not sure!)

I would probably teach high school students or adults, because that's what I've been training for (even though Spanish Education is K-12).

As for how long I'll stay, it depends on how much I like it, which I won't really know until I start teaching there. Very Happy It might be a couple years, or it might be 20....who knows!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
spanglish



Joined: 21 May 2009
Posts: 584
Location: working on that

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said you can take the 'corresponding classes.' I took that to mean that you would be sitting in on MA TESOL classes, but receiving credit for your linguistics minor.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kaitlin_h17



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, that is right! Sorry, I was confused. Razz

The classes are Language Acquisition, Sociolinguistics, English grammar, and TESOL methods.

I will probably also take TESOL practicum which is application of the methodology (going out to teach in the community)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
CarolinaTHeels



Joined: 03 May 2011
Posts: 130

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean getting licensed to teach at the pubic schools in your home state.

Real teaching per say that will give you good pay and benefits abroad.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kaitlin_h17



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I see what you mean Carolina. What if I'm certified to teach Spanish here in the US without having experience doing it? Would that count for anything? My plan was to graduate, teach English in Colombia for a while, and then come back to teach Spanish here in the States after who knows how long Wink

I figured it would be less messy than trying to find a job here as a Spanish teacher, then quit, then go to Colombia, and then have to find work again in the US.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
reddevil79



Joined: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 200
Location: Up in them Mixteca Mountains

PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Real teaching per say...


?? Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
CarolinaTHeels



Joined: 03 May 2011
Posts: 130

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reddevil79 wrote:
Quote:
Real teaching per say...


?? Rolling Eyes


Ill fix it for you

"Real teacher per say.."

You know someone that has a 4 year education degree along with being licensed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AGoodStory



Joined: 26 Feb 2010
Posts: 447

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarolinaTHeels wrote:
reddevil79 wrote:
Quote:
Real teaching per say...


?? Rolling Eyes


Ill fix it for you

"Real teacher per say.."

You know someone that has a 4 year education degree along with being licensed.


Perhaps you meant to write "per se." That is more likely to have been reddevil's point. Although it might also have been the use of "real teaching." Two for the price of one emoticon! Wink

.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
reddevil79



Joined: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 200
Location: Up in them Mixteca Mountains

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m guessing there might well be a few teachers here on this board that you’ve offended as they are not real teachers by your definition. Wink

I can see where you’re coming from though. In most countries, international schools offer some of the best packages on offer, and applicants have to be qualified with good experience as a result.

But I disagree strongly that those who do not possess a teaching license are not “real teachers”. I have a PGCE (British teaching license) and masters in Applied Linguistics, and have met many individuals in ELT who I would consider every bit a teacher as those working in primary and secondary schools. Furthermore, the masters taught me so much more about teaching and education than the PGCE ever did, which I found quite narrow and prescriptive. I ultimately switched from teaching kids to adults as I found it far more rewarding and challenging, but that’s just me.

Could Kaitlin_h17 change courses to become a licensed teacher? Ultimately you have to do want you want; if your real passion is adult education, studying/working to become licensed in elementary/high schools just for better pay abroad may make you unhappy. I would say test the waters out for a few months and then decide. You're still young with plenty of time on your side Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
kaitlin_h17



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks reddevil for the advice. Smile

I will actually graduate from college with a Bachelors Degree in Spanish Education, and I will have my license to teach Spanish here in my state. I have so far been taking or will be taking all of the tests I need to take for my license (like the PRAXIS tests and the Oral Profiency and Written Proficiency tests). Therefore, I will be a 'traditional teacher' with a minor in Linguistics.

I will have to see if I can get the TESOL certification along with the linguistics minor. If I can't get the official certification, I will still take the corresponding classes in the linguistics minor.

I should also probably go to Colombia before I teach there to see if I like it Rolling Eyes How many of you went to Colombia to teach without having previously been there?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
david_hawk



Joined: 17 Nov 2011
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the information.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Colombia All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2011 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Road2Spain - TEFL and Spanish with one year student visa
EBC