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prks
Joined: 26 Sep 2011 Posts: 36
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: non native teachers in China? |
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Hello,
I looked through the thread and couldn't find an answer to this question. I am a non native teacher with CELTA and a bachelor's in education, native level of speaking, 4 years spent in USA, but I am from a non native speaking country. Is it possible to get a job in China? I mean legally of course?
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ethnicity may be a factor. |
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Shroob
Joined: 02 Aug 2010 Posts: 1339
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I know non-native teachers in China who work legally, so it's definitely possible. |
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prks
Joined: 26 Sep 2011 Posts: 36
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Ethnicity? I am caucasian. I heard about the racial things in Asia... oh well... |
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seamallowance
Joined: 20 Apr 2010 Posts: 151 Location: Weishan, Jining, Shandong
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:22 am Post subject: |
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When I taught there, I had a teacher buddy (from a nearby town) who was from Slovakia. His English was very good, but he still sounded a bit like a Russian to my ears. His school was sorry to see him leave when his contract ended. They begged him to stay, offered to "up" his pay. He went home anyway.
(And me? My school found a guy who would work for even less money) |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Don't be discouraged OP it's definitely do able.
Play up your time in the US and emphasise that you have an American accent.
Anglicise your given name ie Mikael becomes Michael. |
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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You may want to skip some of the more popular cities as some have changed the visa regulations. In Suzhou now you cannot get a working visa for teaching ESL unless you are from a native English speaking country. I interviewed a great teacher but when we checked into getting him a visa we were unable to because he was from Holland. |
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prks
Joined: 26 Sep 2011 Posts: 36
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for your input. I would really love to go and teach in China. I realize this might be a bit too much to ask, but can you give me some advice on how would I go about doing so? Where should I start? What websites? I looked through the thread, but it's all very specific. No information for newbies to the China job market.
Again, I appreciate your input very much. I am very glad to hear I stand a chance in China. I had a chance in Hong Kong, but not enough time, or luck. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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You may want to skip some of the more popular cities as some have changed the visa regulations. In Suzhou now you cannot get a working visa for teaching ESL unless you are from a native English speaking country. I interviewed a great teacher but when we checked into getting him a visa we were unable to because he was from Holland. |
Really? When did this take place? We currently have over 30 teachers at my school and easily 1/3 of them are not from the typical native English countries. Of course, they are not all teaching "ESL" classes, rather subject classes in English, so that may be different. |
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:00 am Post subject: |
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It could be different for international schools. I know this is the new regulation for training centres. I'll look into it. |
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Kipling
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 371 Location: ...Ah Mrs K peel me a grape!!!....and have one yourself!!!!
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:00 am Post subject: Keep the change or not as the case may be................... |
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In China I have known Dutch, French, Romanian, Indonesian and Phillipine teachers who had no problems at all. The dear old finger wagger is 'non native' and not qualified but gets offers all the time. She's currently teaching a Chinese boy privately. So as some taxi driver once said 'If you don't ask the answer is always NO!!!!'
Mr K
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Kipling, I'm a little unclear about your last post. Where you referring to me? If so, you have me confused with someone else. I do not teach privately, I am Canadian and I am qualified.
I am not at all trying to discourage the OP. I have taught before with non-native speakers and know of several working here legally. I am trying to be honest with the OP about some new visa regulations here in Suzhou (which may or may not apply to all schools). Hiring is one of my responsibilities and we have tried to put through a teacher who was not a native speaker and were turned down and told of the new rules. We were also unable to renew a contract of a very good teacher for the same reason. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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It could be different for international schools. I know this is the new regulation for training centres. I'll look into it. |
Actually, my school is a Chinese one with an "international department" within its walls, so that's why I was confused about your first statement. Training centers (language mills) probably have to follow a whole different set of rules when it comes to native vs non-native speakers as the whole purpose of these kinds of schools are to strictly teach ESL whereas, like I said before, many of our teachers teach IN English, but the subjects range from sciences and maths to aspects of the English language such as grammar and literature, etc. |
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bruce_0701
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 5 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:30 am Post subject: Don't give up! |
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Hi prks. I teach in an International Department (high school) within a Chinese school in southern China. We have fifteen foreign teachers working in kindergarten, primary school, middle school and high school (Grade 10). Including myself, there are only five Native English-speaking foreign teachers (Canada, USA, Australia). The other ten foreign teachers come from Romania, Ghana, Nigeria, the Philippines, Brazil, Poland and India. So, it's certainly possible for you to find gainful employment in China. Good luck! Bruce |
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