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lydia.bainbridge



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject: Upper age limit? Reply with quote

What is the upper age limit for teachers in the Middle East? I gather it's 60 in SA. True? Other countries?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you hit about 55... if you don't have lots of Gulf experience already on your CV, it becomes more of a challenge. Once you hit 60, few places will take a chance on hiring you.

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lydia.bainbridge



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:30 am    Post subject: Upper age limit? Reply with quote

What do you mean "take a chance?"
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It costs them a lot of money to bring teacher over... visas, tickets, health insurance, and often renting them a furnished flat. Most tertiary level contracts are for three years and they hope that you will work out and renew once or twice.

The reality is that a teacher hired at 60 may not be healthy enough to last out the first contract. Of course, I know teachers who have been there teaching for over 20 years, are pushing 70, and still going strong. But odds are that not all of us would be capable of doing that - or want to...

That's what I mean by "take a chance."

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

60 (Gregorian or Hegira) Sometimes older but the rule of thumb is 60. Some places wikll let you stay on after 60. I was 64 when I left.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A guy I worked with at a college in KSA was hired at 62 and left at 67.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can all come up with individual exceptions. But the real question is how many teachers over 60 (or very close to 60) who apply get considered and eventually hired.

Those that I knew who were hired in the 57-60 range had significant ME experience before applying. That said... you lose nothing by applying and see what happens.

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lydia.bainbridge



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Upper age limit? Reply with quote

Thanks for the information!
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Badar Bin Bada Boom



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. At my KSA place of employment several of us happen to be 61/62, and we can stay pretty much as long as we like, but we wouldn't have gotten hired after 59.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, as VS stated, some employers cut off hiring at 55, e.g. ARAMCO direct hire.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: raised retirement ages Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Once you hit about 55... if you don't have lots of Gulf experience already on your CV, it becomes more of a challenge. Once you hit 60, few places will take a chance on hiring you.

VS


With the raising of retirement ages in many countries, it is a pity that employers don't take this into account. For instance, retirement age in the UK is 65, with a possibility of being raised to 67.

What are over 60s supposed to do if they have to wait 5-7 years to get benefits, but are not able to gain employment? Increased longevity should be thrown into the equation. This is not the case now, when these retirement laws were established decades ago. Changing times.

The whole system needs to be looked at, from the perspective of prolonging one's working life. This is the reality.

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helenl



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But is it the reality in the Gulf (even for expats) where the vast majority of the population (and qualified applicants) are well under 45 - 50 and a not insignificant number even younger?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reality is that our age issues from our own country doesn't matter to employers in the Middle East and why should it? It is not their responsibility to keep us employed.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some employers in KSA have EFLers who are WELL over 60. Get in before 60. Keep in giood health. The LORD will provide. (Or id it the TEMPTER ?)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

Id's the id:

"The id is responsible for our basic drives, "knows no judgements of value: no good and evil, no morality...Instinctual cathexes seeking discharge that, in our view, is all there is in the id." It is regarded as "the great reservoir of libido", the instinctive drive to create the life instincts that are crucial to pleasurable survival. Alongside the life instincts came the death instincts the death drive which Freud articulated relatively late in his career in "the hypothesis of a death instinct, the task of which is to lead organic life back into the inanimate state." For Freud, "the death instinct would thus seem to express itself though probably only in part as an instinct of destruction directed against the external world and other organisms.": through aggression. Freud considered that "the id, the whole person...originally includes all the instinctual impulses...the destructive instinct as well." as Eros or the life instincts.

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John
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