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European Classrooms vs. Asian Classrooms
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is an established scientific fact that Czechs and Poles are incapable of acquiring a foreign language. In this, they fall into the same category as most Anglosaxons.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that is absolutely true. Joseph Conrad tried his best, but his English syntax, the little that one could follow, always betrayed his Polish roots. Milan Kundera's French is, I am reliably informed, torturous. And as for that Nabokov chap...! No hope for him whatsoever.

Probably didn't learn enough critical thinking skills from their EFL teachers : )
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brisket



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See, this is one of the reasons why I want to start my post-CELTA career in Europe. I don't wanna be stuck in the (well-paid) Asian language ghettoes, getting fat and complacent. I want to get good.

They don't make it easy for us non-EU types, though.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See, this is one of the reasons why I want to start my post-CELTA career in Europe. I don't wanna be stuck in the (well-paid) Asian language ghettoes, getting fat and complacent. I want to get good.


Oh,#@[email protected]%[email protected]%#&%#%#($

They didn't mean it for real.
For god's sake, I know numerous expats living in Prague for over a decade who can't speak Czech at all - because big-city Czechs speak such good English they never really need to learn.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacheratlarge wrote:
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Even in the Czech republic, high level speakers were not exactly jumping out of the woodwork when I visited there a few years back


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

That would probably be because in the centre of the city, where the tourists go, the service staff mostly aren't Czech Surprised They're doing jobs Czechs don't much want, and they come from all over the CEE region.

Czech into an actual professional venue - university, finance, or government, and try again.

HMPH.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, now, Spiral. That's not reasonable, now, is it? I mean to say, it is the easiest thing to not know that the Vietnamese chap running the little shop you have patronized isn't Czech. You probably made the same mistake yourself when first you visited Prague : )
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, Sash. Whole lots of those Vietnamese guys are now second-generation Czechs. They speak native Czech Shocked
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the fraternity of Socialist countries!!! Such joy that is brought to the heart!!
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shining example, indeed:-)
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jef dam



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not the most inspiring of threads.

Thinking of moving back to Europe in the next couple of years. With my own experience as a point of reference, what would my job prospects be in, we'll say Spain?

Dip TESOL
6 years experience.
FCE, PET, KET, TOEFL, IELTS experience.
International school for the last 3 years.
iO-Level / iAS-Level experience.

Could I realistically expect to get a job at an international school with my current qualifications and experience?

Cheers.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highly unlikely. It's a very different job market to Asia - openings are fewer and qualifications needed higher.

There are few jobs in international schools for minimally qualified (as you are on this market) EFL teachers. For the rare openings that come up, you'll be competing with holders of related MAs at minimum, and teachers with quals greater than yours who also have local contacts and reputation.

It's rare to walk into an international school gig in a first (or second) year here unless you are certified and qualified to teach a core subject like maths or sciences and have a couple of years experience doing same.

And your experience was presumably in Asia?

The most likely scenario for you is to come over and pay some dues somewhere that you like. Building a local reputation, contacts, and language skills doing entry - level work (which is all you are likely to find) helps to get you positioned to compete for the relatively rare better openings that come up.
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adaruby



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jef dam wrote:
Not the most inspiring of threads.

Thinking of moving back to Europe in the next couple of years. With my own experience as a point of reference, what would my job prospects be in, we'll say Spain?

Dip TESOL
6 years experience.
FCE, PET, KET, TOEFL, IELTS experience.
International school for the last 3 years.
iO-Level / iAS-Level experience.

Could I realistically expect to get a job at an international school with my current qualifications and experience?

Cheers.


Trinity Dip?

If so you hold the highest practical EFL qualification there is. Move away from international schools and look for management positions in language centres throughout Europe, which regularly advertise for people with your qualifications and experience.

And ignore much of the arrogant nonsense on this thread.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Move away from international schools and look for management positions in language centres throughout Europe, which regularly advertise for people with your qualifications and experience.


Yes, there are scads of management positions in Europe going crying for someone with no local contacts or connections Shocked You'll see such ads here (once in a blue moon). Never mind the contracting job market and hungry, well-qualified and connected local competition.

Not saying you might not find something, but it's far more likely you will have to start low and work your way up, with experience only in Asia, regardless of your quite decent quals.

spiral
(who has served on hiring committees in Europe for over a decade)
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adaruby



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
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Move away from international schools and look for management positions in language centres throughout Europe, which regularly advertise for people with your qualifications and experience.


Yes, there are scads of management positions in Europe going crying for someone with no local contacts or connections Shocked You'll see such ads here (once in a blue moon). Never mind the contracting job market and hungry, well-qualified and connected local competition.

Not saying you might not find something, but it's far more likely you will have to start low and work your way up, with experience only in Asia, regardless of your quite decent quals.


This one took me about 30 seconds to find:

http://ihworld.com/jobs/detail/ih_minskdirector_of_studies

And there are plenty of others that are regularly advertised on here and elsewhere. How do I know? Because I've been offered them.

It doesn't matter whether he's worked in Asia or not. If he has the DELTA and proven experience with reputable schools he'll stand a chance of getting the job..

Some of us don't need to rely on sweet-talking and kowtowing to find work.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trinity Dip is not quite the same as Delta. And IH Minsk is not a great payer. Even if the job were to be offered outside of the chain...
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