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No Objection Letter (NOC) issuing?
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Imdramayu



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: No Objection Letter (NOC) issuing? Reply with quote

Is the No Objection Letter (NOC) still alive & kicking in KSA? For university English teachers, is it difficult to acquire from one's employer? Does it hurt the employer to issue them? Under which circumstances is an employer more likely to issue one?

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casio



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the law you do not need a letter of no objection. Some larger organizations however still request that you produce one from your former employer.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

casio wrote:
According to the law you do not need a letter of no objection. Some larger organizations however still request that you produce one from your former employer.


Ah, the old chestnut of Saudi 'law'. According to Saudi law, there actually are no prohibitions on women driving a car... Laughing For a country with such rigid stances on the consumption of alcohol, premarital sex, intergender socialisation, etc, they do tend to flim-flam quite a bit on the little details. Laughing
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PeterParvo



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if you don't get it? What's the recourse? I have heard all one has to do is leave the country and get a new visa, but that seems too simple. I've also heard one has to be out for six to twelve months. Does anyone have any experience with this, or is it all speculation?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is refused you HAVE NO LEGAL REMEDY. If you come back without one, you face the possibility of deportation.Some say that 12 months is the "waiting period". Others say 24 months.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traditionally one just "washed" one's passport and got a new one. This may become more difficult with eye scans and such...

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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: pasaporte Reply with quote

Even getting a new passport is not guaranteed to work. If the old employer finds out what you have done,he can make things very hot indeed for you if you return to another employer.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The official line from Riyadh is that the NOC is "not a legal requirement but may be an administrative requirement"

That is another way of saying, "You can't fight City Hall."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scot... have you heard of any employers making problems for those that washed passports? I know of lots of people that did it successfully, but none who had their previous employer make waves. Perhaps the people that I know were better at not burning the bridges. Cool

I would be more concerned about the modern technology, such as eye scans, making it difficult or impossible.

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Spinoza



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imdramayu wrote:
Is the No Objection Letter (NOC) still alive & kicking in KSA?


If you left your previous employer on a final exit visa, you do not need a 'no objection' letter. If you are still asked for one, despite demonstrably having left your previous employer on a final exit visa, ditch them and look for another job.
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Imdramayu



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:49 pm    Post subject: Scoring a SL Reply with quote

I got my new work visa already without needing a NOC. I'll try to score a Service Letter in lieu of the NOC.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To VS

Yes I know of several people who got in DEEP trouble for coming back to another employer without getting a NOC

I spent 17 yaesr in KSA You spent ZERO !
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I asked you big guy... Laughing

I'm going by the fact that no one has been posting here about a problem. And I know a dozen or more people who have done it.

At least one of them is a "personal friend of ours" and has done it 2 or 3 times. Cool

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit that I never knew or even heard of anyone who got into trouble for that, either. But I did know at least four people who came back with a washed passport and no NOC.

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John
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe my employers in KSA were more wrathful and vexatious then ! Back in 1991 I was working in KSA for a contractor. He could not renew the contract with Petromin so could not offer us jobs. I fvixed up a job with the airline - conditional on getting a NOC. I did not get one and left KSA to work elsewhere.

As it turned out I came back with the airline as an instructor in 1996. It was a good hob !


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