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khmerhit
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| EducAtion is good for you. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| MTurton wrote: |
| It is not simply a scrap of paper that you must have to get a visa. |
Actually, yes it is. The BA degree satisfies the work visa eligibilty requirements in countries such as the one wherein we all currently live. These requirements are in place so that English teachers are in a different class of migrant labor from that of other migrants, thus enabling the government to welcome us while rejecting-- or tightly controlling-- other workers' entry into the country. In order to process one type of guest worker differently, without being viewed by the world as excessively discriminatory, the government places an academic requirement (BA) in it's visa regulations for English teachers. This is a statement of fact, not mere opinion or speculation. For those of us whose minds have "been expanded" (like myself) through education, what I have written is an empirical statement. As much as I favour education, I realise that the BA degree is really only a necessity for obtaining the appropriate visa to live here. If this is not the reality, then why is the BA "requirement" waved by schools for individuals with local spouses and for those with valid visas obtained by other means? The reason is the degree is only needed for reasons already stated. |
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marcusaur
Joined: 03 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:47 am Post subject: 3 vs 4 yr degree |
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| I'm one of those slackers that opted to get out of university as soon as I could. When getting a work visa, do they differentiate between the 3 and 4 degrees?? Thanks. |
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marcusaur
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:49 am Post subject: sorru |
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my post should read "differentiate between 3 or 4 YEAR degees". I guess I should have stayed for that 4th year.  |
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MTurton
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, yes it is. The BA degree satisfies the work visa eligibilty requirements in countries such as the one wherein we all currently live..... |
I don't think you really responded about the point I made, which is not about whether one needs a BA to get a visa, but something else entirely. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't respond to your eloquent (and I mean that sincerely) defense of post secondary education because it wasn't related to the point I was trying to make. My point, to clarify, was (and is) that the BA degree is an administrative necessity for obtaining work permits and resident visas over here. It is viewed as little else by alot of people over here including, and especially, alot of those hiring us. My point is this and nothing else. I'm not going to disagree with you about the innate value of education because, well, I don't disagree greatly with you in that regard (although, as an aside, I don't believe university is the only place where one can become "educated." I also don't believe it is the only place where one can acquire the skills to do our job). However, I do think we ought to be clear about why a BA is actually needed. That was my original point. You say I do not respond clearly to the point you made. Perhaps. But, if you check back a little, you will see that what you wrote was actually a response to something I wrote. It is really you who have not responded well. I talk about government visa regulations; you talk of the positive effects an education has on an individual. I can see we are on totally different pages. However, if you want to disagree with my original point about government regulations, you may need to engage me from that angle, producing appropriate evidence to support what you say.
Happy posting to all... |
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MTurton
Joined: 10 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| TaoyuanSteve wrote: |
| I didn't respond to your eloquent (and I . But, if you check back a little, you will see that what you wrote was actually a response to something I wrote. It is really you who have not responded well. |
Don't worry about. I don't want to get into one of these silly arguments about who said what, when we're really talking about two different things.
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