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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Assange Reply with quote

As far as I´m concerned, he can rot in the Ecuadorian embassy for the rest of his days. It really is rich that a country like Ecuador is preaching to Sweden and the UK about freedom of speech. Apparently poor Julian is ´´bored and a little depressed´´. He´ll be really pissed off when he´s spent a year in the mission of that country which is a model of democracy and freedom of expression.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah if only the British had been as high minded about extradition treaties and justice with Pinochet as they are with Assange.

But of course, the British call the shots in neither case. And now to be upbraided by lowly Ecuador. Tsk tsk. And so soon after the Games.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help feeling that there is something not quite kosher about Comrade Assange. First question is - "Who finances him ?"
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ancient_dweller



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It really is rich that a country like Ecuador is preaching to Sweden and the UK about freedom of speech


I think you have missed the point. Ecuador are not really preaching about freedom of speech. Assange, I believe is on favourable terms with the Ecuadorian President. This is allegedly down to an interview Assange did with him some years ago. The US wanted to put a military base in Ecuador and the President pretty much said, "that is fine, where in the US can Ecuador put their military base?" Assange interviewed the President and I think they share a similar dislike of "American Imperialism" (to use a North Korean term - not my personal one)

Also, Assange doesn't really have anyone supporting him at the moment. High level diplomatic talks are inevitably taking place and Ecuador has royally screwed itself sticking up for Assange. At the same time, as with all things in life, support often comes from the most unlikely of places.

There is something odd about the fact that the women who reported the "sexual offences" (as the Western media calls them) were friendly with Assange and leaked police statements show that the women involved were texting and actually happy to have Assange stay with them. The alleged sexual offence involved intercourse that took place in the morning. Galloway referred to this as "poor sexual etiquette" - political suicide in my opinion but nevertheless saying what a lot of people were probably thinking. Consent to intercourse can be implied - i.e through having had intercourse several times before, sharing a bed etc... But of course - not always the case. The woman in question actually wanted to know if Assange could be compelled to take an STD test as he had not used protection. The leaked documents show that when the police said he would be charged with rape, she refused to sign the statement and left. Only to mysteriously change her mind. But still 'rape' not in the sense that most people might know it to be

There is something peculiar about that.

Sweden have come to Britain to question people for much more serious offences than failing to use protection during intercourse. So, why the stubborn approach this time?

Before Assange left Sweden he invited the police to question him but they said they didnt want to and let him leave.

Why has the UK threatened to trampel over diplomatic immunity for the sake of an extradition for said relatively minor offence? Why spend millions of pounds guarding every exit of the Ecuadorian embassy with 24 hour police guard? Abu Hamza, the hook handed terrorist got less attention.

Why are the US and Sweden refusing to guarantee he wont be extradited to the US unless that is their intention?

Also, everybody knows that whistleblowers don't get convicted of whistleblowing! Take the chap who worked at Guantanamo who blew the whistle on torture. He got convicted of looking at porn on a government computer!!

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I can't help feeling that there is something not quite kosher about Comrade Assange. First question is - "Who finances him ?"


I agree, there is something fishy. ALthough, Assange is financing transparency and accountability! What about the funding the rape victims are receiving. Some mysterious American organisations...


The case is a sad one. On the one hand if I was American I would be sad and embarrassed and would want to lock any traitor that leaked our secrets. On the other, I would be sad and embarrassed that my country was behaving in way that would be subject to criticism in such a way. If the US was practicing what it preached it would be in a much stronger position.

I have no doubt Assange should stand trial if those women are genuine victims but the cirumstances are far and away in Assange's favour. The longer this continues the more credible his position becomes.
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ancient_dweller



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did i forget to mention - Assange was complaining, so he fell for the old 'let he who has never sinned throw the first stone...' best to keep your mouth shut unless you are clen yourself...
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good post that, but 'American Imperialism' a North Korean term? Ha ha ha haaa! Hic! Comrade, what on Earth do you mean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETJt_zbnKk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKmYynSkcRg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GvDyJobHTM&feature=related
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OAS has given a certain measure of support to Ecuador on this case, with even the Americans backing the position taken.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19377110

Hardly the act of an imperialist power looking to hang Assange by his wikis...
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misteradventure



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The American (USA) position in the OAS is possibly a sign that there is dissent even within the same camp.
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