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Mark100



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The war in Iraq is adding fuel to the fire here in Saudi.

With news stories of US troops abusing Iraqi prisoners and Sharon assassinating PLO leaders the hard core are gathering more adherents and the anti US, Israel line is strengthened.

The war agianst terrorism is having the opposite effect that it was intended to have.

The Bush administration has successfully boosted the terrorism industry and managed to alienate even the more moderate muslims through its mishandling of the Iraq issue and its continued support for Israel.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 11:06 am    Post subject: who is who ? Reply with quote

Yes. If you ask me George Bush is an agent of the Islamists. He could not have done a better job for them.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 1:59 pm    Post subject: It's all a Zionist plot - again Reply with quote

Holy Moley, looked at from this perspective, perhaps Crown Prince Abdullah's remarks about the Yanbu terrorism's being "a Zionist plot" don't seem quite so insane.
Follow, if you will, this (admittedly rather convoluted) logic:

1. President Bush is "an agent of the Islamists".
2. President Bush is being advised by many influential FOIs (Friends of Israel): Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz (incidentially, Maureen Dowd has a good column on him this morn):

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/02/opinion/02DOWD.html?th

Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld,etc.

3. ergo, President Bush's decisions, heavily influenced by these FOIs, which are inspiring much of the current terrorism are being shaped by (gasp) those darn Zionists.

Wheels within wheels. My goodness - I think I may be turning into a "conspiracy theorist".
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John
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Bindair Dundat



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark100 wrote:

The war agianst terrorism is having the opposite effect that it was intended to have.


Is it, Mr. 100? There are those who believe that the current wave of terrorism results from Middle Eastern problems, that it found America only because America chose to support regimes such as the Al-Saud and Israel, and that its natural home is the ME.

Would it surprise you to discover that one of the goals of the American "war on terror" is to drive the violence away from America's shores and back to the ME, rather than to eliminate the violence completely?

(Not that I would ever dream of discussing politics in this forum.) Razz

BD
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Mark100



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2004 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Would it surprise you to discover that one of the goals of the American "war on terror" is to drive the violence away from America's shores and back to the ME, rather than to eliminate the violence completely?"

I am sorry i don't understand the logic in that statement.

The world is a global village these days.

Pushing terrorism back to the ME doesn't make sense.

What happens in the ME has repercussions all over.

Anyway post Sept 11 there have been many attacks in non ME countries and indeed many thwarted attacks.

So clearly if this was the aim as you suggest it seems to be failing.

Furthermore ever time Bush opens his mouth he further alienates the majority of the muslim world deepening the divide and handing the extremists more ammunition from which to launch their terrorist activities.
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Bindair Dundat



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2004 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark100 wrote:
I am sorry i don't understand the logic in that statement.


I am sorry, too, Mr. 100.

Mark100 wrote:

The world is a global village these days.


A very smart man named Marshall McLuhan said very much the same thing, Mr. 100!

Mark100 wrote:
Pushing terrorism back to the ME doesn't make sense.


That may be a matter of perspective, Mr. 100. To one who lives in Manhattan, it may make great sense. To one who depends on the votes of fat, happy, self-satisfied, and not-dead Americans for one's daily bread, it might make even greater sense

Mark100 wrote:

What happens in the ME has repercussions all over.


Alas, this is true.

Mark100 wrote:
Anyway post Sept 11 there have been many attacks in non ME countries and indeed many thwarted attacks.

So clearly if this was the aim as you suggest it seems to be failing.


No, this was not the aim as I suggested it. I suggested that one of the aims may have been to keep America, by which I meant the United States, safe from terrorist violence. I am not aware of any attacks in the United States of America since 9/11/01. But if you say it's not working, Mr. 100, who am I to argue?


Mark100 wrote:
Furthermore ever time Bush opens his mouth he further alienates the majority of the muslim world deepening the divide and handing the extremists more ammunition from which to launch their terrorist activities.


Yes, that George Bush is quite a character, isn't he? And he has that strange habit of lobbing a sh*t-eating grin at the camera every time he says something serious. He might alienate me, too, Mr. 100, if I were a little more sensitive.
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eslandflteacher



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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 9:11 am    Post subject: Abuse Reply with quote

Hi,

So, how is abuse of Arab prisoners playing out over there now? How are they viewing the liberators?

Kenneth K. A.
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Eijse



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Albulbul



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eijse says :
"when the Jews murdered the Hamas leader "

You make it sound like ALL the Jews made a collective decision to do this.
This is the kind of rhetoric I would expect from Hamas or Hesbollah.

Can we expect a bit more clarity of language from an English teacher ?
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Eijse



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bindair Dundat



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albulbul wrote:

You make it sound like ALL the Jews made a collective decision to do this.


*snicker* It's kind of like "The Jews killed Jesus Christ".

Besides, the *ISRAELI LEADERSHIP* rocketed TWO Hamas leaders off to greener pastures.

BD
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the Israeli leadership were democratically chosen by .....oh yeah the US.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:06 pm    Post subject: Democracy inaction Reply with quote

Dear dmb,
Heck, even the US "leadership" wasn't "democratically chosen" by the US.
I know, I know - you were being ironic (I think), but I couldn't resist.
Regards,
John
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Zionist-occupied Palestine" Thank you Eijse for clarifying your position.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 3:01 pm    Post subject: ZOP Reply with quote

Why Eijse, I do believe you may have "gone native". Don't get me wrong -I'm very sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians myself (though not so to the "suicide bombers" and those groups that sponsor/encourage them). But "Zionist-Occupied Palestine"? Even the mainstream Arabic media uses the word "Israel" nowadays. Israel's a state, and I very much doubt that's going to change. Palestine should be a state, and I hope it soon will be. But using "politically-correct" (in the Middle East, anyway) phrases such as "Zionist-Occupied Palestine" is, I think, unlike to increase the chances of any resolution to this seemingly never-ending conflict.
Regards,
John
P.S. Wonder if those Jewish "settlers" refer to "Arab-Occupied Greater Israel?"
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